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Wie sieht es denn mit ein paar p0t-Internen Multiplayer-Partien aus?
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Dauert zulange (also an einem Stück), als dass ich Lust drauf hätte. Wenn Pitboss raus ist, wirds da sicher was geben, zumindest im OT.
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Was ist Pitboss? (Civ 5 ist mein erstes Civ :S)
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Ich muss ehrlich sagen, dass ich mit Civ V noch nicht warm geworden bin. Selten ein Spiel so wenig gespielt. Vor allem fehlt mir eine Anzeige, die mir zeigt, wie ich zu meinen Nachbarn stehe... :/
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| | Updates to Sid Meier's Civilization® V have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The major changes include:
UI
* Fix for production prompt that sometimes appears with newly created puppet states that could stop the player from being able to end the turn.
* Aircraft banner corrections - now when you rebase an aircraft, the number will move with it.
* Resource icons now come up with Ctrl-R again, instead of sharing the same button with Build Roads.
* Selecting a great general will no longer cause yield icons to appear.
* Added option to disable auto-unit cycling.
* Fix for full-screen game when running dual monitors. Previously, the curser could scroll off the "open" side, and not be able to scroll the map in that direction.
* Misc additional fixes to mouse controls, and other interface issues.
* Rounded out financial information in the Economic Overview screen.
Details now provided on the amount of gold provided by each city, the cost of buildings in each city, etc.
* Auto-populate save menu with save file name
* Allow selection of other cities by hex from within the city screen
* Added detailed trade route info to Economic Overview screen
* Added new tab to the Economic Overview Screen: "Resources & Happiness."
* Added option to activate the mp score list in single player (for "always up" score similar to Civ IV.)
* The Annex/Puppet/Raze popup now indicates how much extra Unhappiness will be assumed with each action.
* If there are less than 5 buildings still needed to construct a National Wonder, the production popup tool-tip now lists which cities lack them.
* Added Yield & Culture tool-tip info to the production popup.
* Tweak information on the Global Politics tab in the Diplomacy Overview screen.
MODDING
* Category list now displays correctly
* "Installed" panel now displays ALL versions of a mod but prevents the user from enabling multiple versions.
GAMEPLAY
* Workers - Added option to force workers to ignore manually made improvements (so they don't change what you decide was best for a plot).
* Workers - Fixed bug where number of turns to complete were incorrect in build action button tool-tip.
* Economy - Fixed bug where players could disband a single unit, and not see the economic return until disbanding 1 more.
* Economy - Increased city wealth setting to 25%
* Economy - Multiple fixes to the way trade-routes are tabulated and recognized.
* Economy - Can now sell Buildings in a city (to help lower maintenance for obsolete buildings later in the game).
* Trade - Found and corrected a Trade problem that could cause your Resource inventory to multiply.
* City States - Fixed a bug where you could not gift aircraft to city states.
* Military - Medic promotion now only provides healing bonus for adjacent units.
* Military - Fix for Minuteman movement.
* Military - Correct promotions for "archer-like" units (horse archers, chariots).
* Military - Embarked units will no longer slow enemy land units
* Military - Improved unit cycling logic. Camera will jump around much less.
* Balance - Engineers +1 hammer
* Balance - Disbanding units now provides only 10% of their production cost in gold.
* Request - Enable "one more turn" button if you lose, but are still alive.
AI
* Military - Better handling of unit need (navy vs land, etc.).
* Military - AI will tend to build ships to deal with blockaded cities more often
* Military - Corrected an issue hampering movement of AI armies, especially when in close proximity to enemy forces
* Diplomacy - AI will be more reluctant to offer or accept open border agreements with more powerful opponents.
* Diplomacy - Fix for never ending deals (peace, research agreements, etc).
* City - City specialization and city focus improvements.
* City - Cities that are Avoiding Growth will not grow while that option is selected
* Workers - Priority of trading posts reduced, and rebalanced priorities on other improvements
* Workers - Improved the path-finding mechanic when building route-to roads improved, including a large performance increase when evaluating road-pathing.
* City - Make sure Puppets don't construct buildings that require Resources.
* City - Add a Puppet city strategy that turns off training buildings and emphasizes gold.
* Military - Defensive tactical AI update. When you are at war and threatening an enemy city, the AI will better utilize the garrison, as well as the surrounding terrain in defense of the target city.
MULTIPLAYER
* Exploit - Fix for gifting unit exploit
* Chat - Color-coding, sound alerts, etc., added for in-game chat system, including a larger window.
* Deals - Additional deal validation put in place to verify deals before they are committed
MISC
* Research treaties that end because you declare war will no longer grant the free tech
* Save/Load - Fix for corrupted saves being experienced by some players in late-game.
* Map - Huge map crash-during-load fix that were reported on some specific systems.
* Map - Terrain caching fix that could cause problems for certain video cards (the "glowing red orbs" seen on the map are an indicator of this).
* Map - Fix for the low res terrain that appears the first time the game is run (terrain tiles would not load in anything but low-res the first time you play on some computer configurations)
* Strategic View - Crash fix for units rendering in background.
* Strategic View - Fix for selecting units either standing on a city plot, or garrisoned in the city plot.
* Eyefinity - Better handling of leader scenes when using Eyefinity displays.
* Tutorials - Many tutorial tweaks and adjustments.
* Multiple crash fixes.
* Taller than wide map crash fix. | |
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so,
habs zum ersten mal durch. in prinz und standart größe.
hatte ein pervers langes goldenes zeitalter (50 runden) + 3-4 mal verlängerung durch große persönlichkeit.
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Auch wenn ich wahrscheinlich eh der einzige in dem thread bin....
gewonnen auf unsterblich!
beat this!
einen wirtschaftlich und technologisch unschlagbaren gegner militärisch bezwungen 
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von Sagittarius am 06.11.2010 20:45]
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Glückwunsch. Und Du bist nicht der Einzige hier, aber ich habe gerade einfach keine Zeit zum spielen. Leider. Ist noch mal ein Patch rausgekommen?
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Mir fehlt einfach die Motivation mich einzuarbeiten... Hab's einmal gespielt und nicht mehr geladen. Hoffe dass pitboss bald kommt. Singleplayer kann ich nix mehr abgewinnen.
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Hoffe dass pitboss bald kommt.
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Mmmhh, ich bin jetzt bei meinem dritten Spiel. Und es macht immer noch Spaß. Für mich sind die meisten Neuerungen in der Spielmechanik immer noch hochgradig motivierend. Auch bei meinem vierten Spiel werde ich wohl den Schwierigkeitsgrad wieder um eins nach oben schrauben. Auch wenn ich darauf stehe, die Wunder vor meinen Gegnern fertig zu haben.
Allerdings braucht das Spiel nach wie vor noch dringend Patches. Lags beim über die Karte scrollen. Falsche Ertragsanzeige der einzelnen Felder. Bugs wie daß ich einen Stadtstaat für einen anderen Stadtstaat vernichte und in der nächsten Runde kommt die Info, daß ich diesen Stadtstaat nicht mehr vernichten kann, weil das schon jemand anderes gemacht hat. Oder daß wenn einmal die Truppen des Gegners vernichtet sind, kaum noch Gegenwehr kommt. Oder wenn ich eine Stadt runtergebombt habe, daß ich dann die dortso stationierte Einheit fast überrennen kann. Da müsste bei der Stadtverteidigung mit Einheiten vielleicht noch ein wenig mehr drin sein.
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oder der blöde intro bug!
hat das hier auch jemand? dass man immer die ersten 30 sekunden des intros anschauen muss?
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Das kaschiert den Ladebalken.
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kann mans trotzdem irgendwie ausmachen?
"haben die männer begonnen das lager zu errichten?"
"ja mein führe...ähh vater!"
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Die alternative wäre ein Ladebalken
Möchtest Du das lieber?
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kann mans trotzdem irgendwie ausmachen?
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Von Seite 3:
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versuch mal:
Try this:
Go to "My Documents\My Games\Sid Meiers Civilization 5\" and open usersettings.ini in Notepad. About 15 lines down you will find "SkipIntroVideo = 0". Make this value 1 (to skip the intro movie).
Game should go directly to the menu.
bist aber nicht der einzige mit dem problem
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cool, danke!
ich erinner mich, dass man die steam spiele auch irgendwie auf englisch umstellen konnte? geht das auch hier?
hab übrigens jetzt erst gemerkt, dass man die sich die politiken auch aufsparen kann
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Rechtsklick auf das Spiel in Deiner Bibliothek, da dann irgendwo auf Einstellungen - Sprache? Da hatte ich meins auf Deutsch gestellt.
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hab übrigens jetzt erst gemerkt, dass man die sich die politiken auch aufsparen kann
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Warum willst Du sparen?
Man bekommt ja einen Vorteil durch sie und den will man ja sofort.
Was übersehe ich?
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Einheitenbeförderungen spart man ja auch auf, bis sie wirklich gebraucht werden.
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Mmmhh, wie spart man denn Sozialpolitiken auf? Bevor rechts unten angezeigt wird, daß man die Runde beenden kann, muss man dortso doch eh erst auf den Button für neue Sozialpolitiken drücken. Vor allem warum sollte ich da was aufsparen. Im Großen und Ganzen geben doch die meisten Sozialpolitiken einen sofortigen Bonus für verschiedene Bereiche.
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Du kriegst ja aber bestimmte Bäume erst nach ner gewissen Schwelle...
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also, mit rechtsklick auf den "sozialpolitik button" überspringt man das. auch die nervigen nachrichten der stadtstaaten.
aufsparen: manche bäume bekomme man erst ab bestimmten zeitaltern. wenn ich also klassik erreicht habe, kann ich meine gleich zwei oder drei sozialpolitiken von "frömmigkeit" wählen.
tada!
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Sagt mal, will mich Steam verarschen? Da will ich einfach mal schnell ne Runde spielen und dann lädt der erst mal ein update. Ok, ist nett. Ich starte das Spiel... es ist auf Englisch. Ich schaue unter Sprache nach: Deutsch. WTF!? Stelle auf Englisch, dann auf Deutsch: immer noch Englisch. Aber er hat da wohl das dt. Sprachpaket runtergeladen. Ich starte den Rechner neu, starte das Spiel: Englisch. WTF WTF!?!
Jetzt das absolute Extrem ausprobieren: ich stelle die Sprache auf Französisch, starte das Spiel: ES IST VERDAMMT NOCH MAL AUF FRANZÖSISCH!
Ich so: 
Kann mir wer sage, wie das verdammt noch mal auf Deutsch geht?
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falls es jemanden interessiert, es gab wieder ein großes update.
mit vielen dollen spielverändernden zeug und so...
[AI]
[TACTICAL AI]
Proper evaluation of which enemy units can reach my units next turn.
Sorting enemy targets (within a class) by damage.
Combine bombardment fire from cities with other ranged fire where possible.
Never target a city for a ranged attack when they are already at (or going to be at) 1 health.
Have the tactical AI be more aggressive about fortifying units that aren't moving anyways.
Make all forms of guarding improvements the lowest priority tactical AI moves.
Don't mark tiles adjacent to enemy at sea as good for flank attacks -- there is no flanking at sea.
Update to tactical AI pillaging code - now prioritize enemy land resources and trade routes (never regular mines or farms). Always uses the check to make sure AI is not trying to pillage in an enemy dominance zone. Barbarians will still target everything.
Never use ranged units to provide flank bonuses.
Reduce chance of AI civs making "suicide" attacks.
Changes to better protect the capital or any city with an enemy within 5 tiles.
[VICTORY]
AI will be more aggressive about pursuing Diplo victory (bribing City States) if they are wealthy.
AI will be more aggressive about building Spaceship parts when going for Science victory.
[CIVS]
Tweak a few leader settings to be more likely to use their traits.
Adjust Napoleon to make more likely to go for culture.
[COMBAT/UNITS]
AI will not use Horse as defenders on hills as much.
AI will often build more defensive troops.
AI will more aggressively hunt barbs in the early game.
Slightly more naval units.
AI will now build ranged and mobile units more in line with the flavor settings for the team - in general, this means more mobile units.
AI now builds, deploys, and uses air units more effectively.
Allow AI to build more units if above Prince.
AI will be more likely to build and bring siege units in a city attack.
Better nuke targeting by AI.
Won't build AA if no air threat.
Allow AI or automated human explorers to move to edge of sight range and then explore again.
[EXPLORATION/EXPANSION]
AI will emphasize getting an Ocean going explorer unit when the time comes.
AI slightly more likely to settle off home continent.
AI should colonize other continents regularly.
AI second wave expansion more aggressive.
Improve the AI's chances of setting up protected bombard attacks.
Settlers: should handle watery maps better.
AI will grab goody huts on other land masses.
AI will grab empty barb camps more often.
[WORKERS/CITY AI]
Large Cities should be more willing to build happiness and gold buildings.
Workers prioritize repair builds higher than other builds.
AI will be more likely to build a wall on any city that was an original capital.
Builder tasking now calculates yields appropriately during golden ages and weighs tiles according to how much stuff they provide overall as well as their maximum yield of a certain type.
More likely to build up economy early.
Multiple worker AI improvements.
[MISC]
Factor GS into flavors more.
Disband obsolete units even if not losing money.
Upgrade units a bit more.
Tweak flavors of policies a bit.
Have AI factor Grand Strategy into picking policies.
AI will factor grand strategy into tech choices a bit more.
AI don't send a barb expedition if defenses are critical.
AI less likely to pick a city on an inland sea for serious naval production.
Additional pathfinder optimization.
[GAMEPLAY]
[CITY/BUILDINGS]
Added "National Treasury" national wonder, which requires Markets in all cities. Provides +8 Gold per turn to the city in which it's built.
Added “Circus Maximus” national wonder, which requires Colosseums in all cities.. Provides 5 Happiness.
Library now has no specialist slots.
Wat now has two specialist slots.
Public school now has 1 Science per pop, +1 free Great Scientist point, +1 Culture for 3 gold maintenance.
Observatory now has 1 specialist slot.
Research Lab has two specialist slots.
Public school now provides 1 beaker per pop for 3 gold maintenance.
Watermill now provides +2 good and +1 production for 2 gold maintenance.
Paper Maker now has no specialist slots.
Circus now has +2 happiness and no maintenance.
Theatre now has +5 happiness.
Stadium now has +5 happiness.
Reduced production cost and maintenance for the Courthouse.
Courthouse can now be purchased in a city (although it is expensive).
Removed maintenance from city defense buildings (Walls, Castle, Military Base).
City defense buildings now help cities heal.
Increased city strength ramp-up based on technology.
Reduced effects of Forbidden Palace and Meritocracy (Happiness per city).
Reduced amount of food needed for cities to grow at larger sizes.
Buildings can now no longer provide more Happiness than there is population in a city (wonders are excluded from this).
Ironworks now gives 10 hammers instead of a % bonus.
National College now gives +5 science in addition to the % bonus.
Hermitage gives 5 culture in addition to its previous bonus.
Raze/Unraze exploit fixed.
Cities being razed are unhappy about it (only during the razing process).
Cities heal more quickly.
[UNITS/PROMOTIONS]
Cavalry can now go obsolete with Combustion.
Stealth bombers cannot use carriers.
Only allow one upgrade per unit from a goody hut.
Add second embarkation promotion ("Defensive Embarkation").
Amount of damage done during naval combat increased.
All melee horse units get penalty attacking cities.
Increased city attack penalty for mounted and armor units to 50% (from 40%).
Lancers (and Lancer UUs) upgrade to helicopter.
Lowered combat value of Horseman and Companion Cavalry.
Promotions must be picked the turn they're earned.
Can no longer promote a unit that has fought during the turn (instead, the promotion comes up the beginning of the following turn).
Catapults and Trebuchets now weaker against units but stronger VS cities.
Reduced effectiveness of Archers & Crossbowmen (and their UUs) VS cities.
Reduced some combat bonuses: flanking (15 to 10), Great Generals (25 to 20), Discipline (15 to 10), Military Tradition (2x to 1.5x).
Remove requirement for aluminum on Mobile SAM.
Lower open terrain penalty to 10% .
Marsh is now 3 moves to enter (Chariots do not move quickly through it anymore).
Cavalry now upgrade to tanks.
[CITY STATES]
Reduced bonuses from Maritime city-states - Friends: +2 food in capital, +0 food in other cities - Allies: +3 food in capital, +1 food in other cities
Only the first 3 units gifted to a city-state will earn Influence now.
Killing a barb inside a city-state's territory now gives a 5-turn buffer where there is no Influence intrusion penalty.
[HAPPINESS]
If an empire reaches -20 Happiness, it goes into revolt, and rebels start appearing throughout the empire, based on the number of cities.
Amount of Happiness needed to trigger a Golden Age reduced.
Amount of Happiness needed to trigger a Golden Age now increases as the number of cities in the empire goes up.
[POLICIES]
Landed Elite (Tradition Branch) now reduces culture cost of border growth by 2/3.
Monarchy (Tradition Branch) now provides +1 Gold per 2 pop in the Capital..
Liberty now provides a Settler training bonus to only the capital, and not every city.
Tradition now provides +50% growth in the capital.
Theocracy now reduces Unhappiness by 25% .
Reformation now gives a 10-turn GA.
Adopting Rationalism now gives a 4-turn GA.
[TECH TREE]
Add link between Military Science and Dynamite.
Add link between Civil Service and Education.
Add link between Economics and Scientific Theory.
Add link between Chivalry and Acoustics.
Research overflow now works correctly (extra beakers after completing a tech will rollover to the next tech).
[GENERAL]
Fixed bug where clicking on a city plot wouldn't select the garrison.
Natural wonders now award culture (if worked) and happiness (if in border) if that trait is assigned to a wonder in XML.
Players must now always adopt Policies immediately, and cannot defer picking until later.
Have culture cost for policies never go down (trading away cities to reduce culture cost exploit). Razing cities will not raise your policy cost ceiling.
Reduced culture needed for first plot acquisition from 20 to 15.
3 new Natural Wonders and rarity code for both base game and New World scenario.
Reduced points from Wonders (40 to 25) & Cities (10 to 8), increased points for pop by 1 (3 to 4).
[DIPLOMACY]
AI's attitude towards you is now visible in the diplo screen and diplo drop-down.
Added info tooltip for an AI leader's mood. Lists things that are making an AI player happy/upset.
New diplo system: Declaration of Friendship (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
New diplo system: Denounce (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
New custom leader responses (Serious Expansion Warning, Aggressive Military, Luxury Exchange, Borders Exchange, Gift Request, etc.).
Not agreeing to a friend's request now results in a relations hit.
Third party AIs can now respond when a player makes a DoF or denounces someone. What they say is based on the situation - e.g. if you make friends with someone they don't like, they'll scold you.
AI leaders will now sometimes ask their friends to denounce one of their enemies as a show of support, and refusing to denounce someone when an AI asks can now make them very upset.
AI is now capable of denouncing friends (aka, backstabbing) and added backstabbing info to diplo overview screen.
[UI]
Add XP bar for air units, do not allow XP for air units attacking a city that is already down to its last hit-point.
Change ActivePlayer's name to "You" in single player in score list.
Added game option to disable automated workers from removing features.
Fixed bug where Happiness from garrisoned units wasn't being listed in Happiness info tooltip.
Load Map function will now display correct size and type of saved map.
New “Angry Genghis” loading screen (replaces the “fluffy-bunny Genghis” loading screen).
Added setup options to allow players to defer choosing Policies and Promotions right away.
Show the river penalty when attacking city across river (the penalty was there but was not being shown in the preview).
Global politics screen updated to reflect new diplo system.
Can no longer Force End Turn (shift-enter) through blocking notifications. CAN now use it to skip over units which need orders.
Multiple tweaks and bug fixes.
[MISC]
Fix small bugs with adding long roads around existing features.
Fixed bombard arrow across world wrap.
[MODDING]
Parent category counts now include counts of child categories.
Selecting/deselecting a category now automatically selects/deselects it's children and its parent.
Tweaked category name truncation to better fit names.
Hide categories w/ no children and a count of 0.
Added support for fallback languages (if mod is not translated, fall-back to English so text keys are not showing).
The pager for the installed mods tab of the mods browser is now displayed in the correct location.
Long values for properties such as "Special Thanks" will no longer extend past the edge browser frame.
Categories refresh much faster now in the mods browser.
Multiple additional tweaks and fixes to the mod browser.
Support for mods that perform major restructuring of the tech tree including adding, deleting, and updating techs, buildings, and units.
Added GameEvents system for overriding Gameplay DLL specific functionality.
Fixed "Reload Landmark System" mod flag to now refresh landmarks defined in "ArtDefine_Landmarks".
Multiple SDK updates (new version to go live shortly).
[SERIALIZATION/SAVES]
Fixed save format which causes saves to increase the memory footprint of the game drastically when loading frequently over the course of the game. This heightened the risk of late-game our of memory crashes significantly.
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von Sagittarius am 20.12.2010 21:09]
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- Promotions must be picked the turn they're earned.
u serious?
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naja, noch wichtiger sind die diplomatie veränderungen.
-freundschaftserklärung
-denuzierung
-Mood-Anzeige : wie in civ 4
das ist jetzt sehr viel nachvollziebarer geworden.
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Lancers (and Lancer UUs) upgrade to helicopter.
Auch nich schlecht. Es war bisher so sinnlos Reiter zu bauen irgendwie...
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auch das komische wasserrad macht mehr sinn: bringt jetzt 2 essen und 1 produktion
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Resümee
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So, ich hab jetzt dank neuem Computer auch mal meine ersten drei Partien hinter mir und muss sagen, dass das Spiel derbe rockt, aber kaum noch was mit den ersten vier Teilen zu tun hat. Irgendwie ist das ganze Spiel nicht mehr so komplex wie noch Teil 4, sondern mehr Arcade, ein Vergnügungsspiel ohne großes Nachdenken. Das muss jedoch nicht schlecht sein.
So gefällt mir, dass man total intuitiv das richtige machen kann: Fehlt hier was, muss ich da was machen, ist jenes schlecht, kann ich es damit ausbessern, usw. alles sehr stimmig und ausgewogen. Das oftmals angesprochene Kampfsystem gefällt mir auch ausgesprochen gut, neben den erwähnten Vorteilen (Keine Stacks, Fernkampf, etc.) muss ich noch die Fähigkeit der Städte erwähnen, Belagerer angreifen zu können.
Der Technologiebaum ist leider nicht mehr so taktisch wie in Civ 4, wo man noch sehr gewichtige (Fehl-)Entscheidungen treffen konnte, dagegen kommen ja jetzt die Socialpolicies mit ihren diversen Spielmöglichkeiten.
Einen Hauch von Weltpolitik bieten auch die Stadtstaaten, die mir persönlich aber nicht so gut gefallen, da die irgendwie ein störendes Element sind - viel in die Waagschale können sie selten werfen und bei größeren Kriegen nerven mich die 178,4 Meldungen, dass jetzt irgendwelche Stadtstaaten im Krieg sind. Den einzigen Nutzen haben die Stadtstaaten (bei meiner Spielweise) für den Erfahrungsgewinn meiner Armeen und der Einsparung eines Siedlers. :D
Die Siegmöglichkeiten sind jetzt auch definitiv besser als jemals zuvor: Erinnere ich mich noch an Civ-Versionen, bei denen man die letzte Einheit irgendwo auf der Weltkarte suchen musste, um einen Gegner endgültig besiegen zu können (Civ 2-3), so reicht ja jetzt die Einnahme der Hauptstadt. Definitiv besser!
Ich finde auch die Einzelspieler-Schwierigkeitsstufen besser, so ist Prinz-Normal jetzt wirklich mal locker "normal" spielbar, nicht wie die Klüfte zwischen den Spielstufen in Teil 4...
Was ich am meisten vermisse sind die Religionen, den stimmigeren Techtree und vor allem die Auswahl an Leadern wie in Teil 4.
Ich warte gespannt auf den Pitboss Modus!
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