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Sie ist mit 200 Stimmen durch.
Next up:
Eurosceptics already thinking about the 'nuclear option' - a non-binding motion of no confidence against their own PM, removing her with backing of Labour, SNP & Lib Dems.
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von rejteN am 12.12.2018 22:03]
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Bezahlt erst mal eure Schulden, dann reden wir weiter. 
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Auslaufgenehmigung fürs Käse-Uboot.
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63% der Tories vertrauen ihr.
Choo choo, der Mayday-Zug hat keine Bremsen!
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von Herr der Lage am 12.12.2018 22:37]
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Mogg ist auch son richtig verwirrter Vogel.
Am Anfang dachte ich, dass sei son Konservativer mit halbwegs intelligenten Ideen. Aber das ist ja genau son Dampfplauderer wie Johnson, nur das Mogg die Anzüge besser passen.
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Coincidence? I think not.
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Bundestag gegen weitere Änderungen am Brexit-Abkommen | SZ
Mit den Stimmen der Koalitionsparteien beschließt der Bundestag einen Regierungsantrag, wonach das Brexit-Abkommen nicht wieder aufgeschnürt wird.
Außenminister Maas betont, dass auch die in Großbritannien umstrittene "Backstop"-Regelung nicht substanziell verändert werde.
EU-Gipfel zum Brexit: May kriegt warme Worte - und sonst nichts | SpOn
Theresa May braucht dringend Zugeständnisse der EU, damit der Brexit-Deal eine Chance im britischen Parlament hat. Doch beim Gipfel in Brüssel kann sie wenig erwarten.
| | At the afternoon lobby briefing, [Theresa May's] spokeswoman said: The ‘meaningful vote’ will not be brought to parliament before Christmas.
The spokeswoman also said the vote will come “as soon as possible in January”. The government has committed to holding it before January 21. > | |
Der Brexit-Termin ist in 100 Tagen, es ist abzusehen, dass es außer ein paar warmen Worten von EU-Seite nichts Neues mehr geben wird, doch May spielt weiter auf Zeit.
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Je weniger Zeit zur Verfügung steht, desto mehr MPs werden Mays Deal unterstützen.
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European Council (Art. 50) conclusions, 13 December 2018
| | The Union stands by this agreement and intends to proceed with its ratification. It is not open for renegotiation.
[...] In such a case, the Union would use its best endeavours to negotiate and conclude expeditiously a subsequent agreement that would replace the backstop, and would expect the same of the United Kingdom, so that the backstop would only be in place for as long as strictly necessary. | |
EU leaders reject May's idea to salvage her Brexit deal
Jean-Claude Juncker tells PM it’s not Europe’s job to satisfy demands of rebellious Tories
EU leaders scrap plans to help Theresa May pass Brexit deal after disastrous meeting
| | After arriving in Brussels with promises to help the prime minister, European leaders were left amazed when she turned up without any developed requests or ideas. [...]
Accounts of the meeting suggest the prime minister’s speech, in which she called for help to get the agreement “over the line”, was repeatedly interrupted by Angela Merkel asking her what she actually wanted from them.
Senior UK government officials admitted that the prime minister did not bring any documented proposals with her to the meeting.
The approach puzzled EU diplomats, who for days before the conference had said they needed to see what proposals Ms May had come up with before they could respond to her request for aid.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, said at a midnight press conference after the discussion: “I do find it uncomfortable that there’s an impression perhaps in the UK that it is for the EU to propose solutions. It is for the UK leaving the EU and I would have thought that it was rather more for the British government.”
In the margins of the summit the meeting is already being called “Salzburg 2.0” – a reference to a previous summit in September where the prime minister’s dinner speech also ended up accidentally hardening the EU position. | |
Das Lustige ist: mit diesen klaren Absagen der EU hätte das parteiinterne Misstrauensvotum gegen May vielleicht noch etwas anders ausgesehen.
Aber das fand ja einen Tag vorher statt, und nachdem May dieses gewann, ist sie nun parteiintern erst einmal ein Jahr lang immun.
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Das ist echt die größte Shit Show, die ich seit langem erleben durfte. Es wird von Tag zu Tag grotesker.
Das ist wie blitzeis auf See A9. Ein paar deppen versuchen es trotzdem immer und immer wieder.
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Recht hatter. Glaube hilft ja auch extreme Armut zu ertragen. Gott will es so.
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[lacht in Verwunderung]
Oge, aber jetzt wirds langsam eintönig.
UK macht etwas, EU sagt "nein weil selber grund wie vorher", [meme], da capo.
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Comments über Fischerei, die ich ganz interessant fand:
| | I'm pro-remain, but fishermen are generally the only ones who are entirely justified in voting to leave. Their industry was heavily, heavily damaged by the EU common fisheries policy. This brings in a quota for overall fish catch in our waters. That isn't the issue, the issue is that this quota is now shared by French, Dutch, German fishing companies with huge trawlers, compared to our nations mostly small trawling vessels. It directly put thousands out of works and ran fishing towns into poverty that most still haven't recovered from today.
That doesn't mean lack of EU market wouldn't damage them (it'll damage all of us), but overall I imagine it would help the industry and it would likely be one of the first things agreed upon in a trade deal.
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| | Sorry, but many of the points you made simply aren't true.
Firstly, when it comes to quotas, people seem to think there was a period where these countries weren't fishing our waters. The 200 mile eez was brought in officially in 1982 under the UN convention on the law of the sea. You'll notice that this was well after the UK joined the cfp. The underlying point here is that these countries fished our waters before we joined the cfp. The way that quota was allocated under the policy was based on historical catch shares. That meant that a countries share was based on what they already caught annually when the policy was introduced. The UK did not join the CFP with 100% of fishing rights and leave with 40%.
As for vessel size, if that was true then it wouldn't really matter. The cfp restricts effort (days at sea) and catch (quota) based on the country's allocation, not based on vessel size. A giant vessel (of which the UK has plenty) going out would still be bound by the quota of the country of origin and restricted to how many days they could fish, to control effort. I'm also unsure of what you mean by "small vessels". Most of the demersal vessels I've worked with are comparable to those found coming from these countries. You may be thinking of the inshore fleet? Which again, the vessels are of a comparable size.
The common fisheries policy absolutely was not responsible for the decline of the industry. Like every other industry, employment in fishing was decimated primarily by changes in technology. The old "there used to be 1000 boats in this harbour, now there's only 10" argument completely skips over the fact that the boats are now 100 times the size and able to catch 1000 times the fish. Now, we have mechanised drums, sorters, fish finders, winches, boxers, you name it. All of these things historically required people, people who are now out of a job.
We also have a situation where over fishing is a massive problem. To the point where our fish stocks very very nearly collapsed in the early 2000s. This resulted in very restrictive quotas for fishermen during these times. It also resulted in by back schemes, where the EU would pay fishermen for their vessels. All of this was, however, the result of fishermen and policy makers not listening to scientists.
I'm afraid that fishing is an industry which has adapted to the times technology wise, but refuses to accept that the decline in the industry is due to these changes requiring much less man power to do a thousand times the work.
Leaving the EU CFP is going to harm many people in the industry. The only fishermen you hear from are those who fish for TAC (total allowable catch i.e. Quota) species. And that because they think they are going to be getting all the quota from the EU handed to them on a plate. This isn't going to happen. It also doesn't reflect a very large section of the industry who fish for non-TAC species. These fishermen are already catching as much as they can and all leaving the EU is doing is throwing trade barriers up in their faces and reducing their bottom line.
There's two sides to every story and the fisherman's tale is well and truely skewed. | |
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| | There was a study a little while ago that said acceptance of climate science wasn't correlated with political ideology anywhere....except in anglophone countries.
Murdoch is heavily influential in anglophone media, and his media are the main ones pushing against acceptance of climate science. They are also highly ideological, and in fact probably the main reason for recent growth in ideological media in the world.
Methinks these two things are correlated. And if so, this puts him very close to the top of the list of the most evil people in the history of humanity. Actively pushing towards mass extinction...and for what? To sell more papers to idiots? Christ.
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Tja, Elliot Carver musste ja irgendeinem Vorbild entstammen.
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Leave.EU @LeaveEUOfficial:
Die Gelbwesten-Chose ist toll, da kann sich jeder alles drunter vorstellen. Genau wie unter "Brexit".
In Frankreich marschieren Linke und Rechte einträchtig nebeneinander, vereint durch ein paar gelbe Westen und ein vages Gefühl der Unzufriedenheit mit der Gesamtsituation. - Da könnte man ja eigentlich auch mal 20 Brexit-Anhänher in gelben Westen auf die Westminster-Bridge stellen, um ein paar hübsche Bilder für die Leave-Webseite zu drehen...
Leave Means Leave’s rally, Jacob Rees-Mogg’s mic left on, compares Leave Means Leave clapping to “Communist Party in China” and other amusements.
| | Quote from JRM: “all clapping each other! it's a bit like the Communist Party meetings in China!". He then murmurs how he hopes his constituents don't write to him, and then finally (I think) refuses to stand to do the cheers of "what do we want!". Followed by more cheesy ra-ra music. Top stuff!
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Schön ist auch, dass sie ihren Shit "Leave means Leave" nennen, als ob die letzten 2 Jahre irgendwie Klarheit gebracht hätten, was "leave means leave, Brexit means Brexit, red white and blue Brexit" überhaupt bedeuten.
Naja, "Leave means no deal cliff-edge hardest Brexit imaginable mit Plünderern und Militär auf den Straßen" hat wohl nicht auf die Plakate gepasst.
Live übertragen wurde das Ganze von Rupert Murdoch's The Sun, welcher die ihm unterstehenden Medien vehement pro Brexit, Trump und contra Klimawandel etc. positioniert.
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| | Zitat von Herr der Lage
Leave.EU @LeaveEUOfficial:
Die Gelbwesten-Chose ist toll, da kann sich jeder alles drunter vorstellen. Genau wie unter "Brexit".
In Frankreich marschieren Linke und Rechte einträchtig nebeneinander, vereint durch ein paar gelbe Westen und ein vages Gefühl der Unzufriedenheit mit der Gesamtsituation. - Da könnte man ja eigentlich auch mal 20 Brexit-Anhänher in gelben Westen auf die Westminster-Bridge stellen, um ein paar hübsche Bilder für die Leave-Webseite zu drehen...
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Sehe ich das richtig, dass die Knallköppe da nen Notarzt im Einsatz blockieren?
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| | Zitat von Phillinger
Sehe ich das richtig, dass die Knallköppe da nen Notarzt im Einsatz blockieren?
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Das war natürlich kein echter Notarzteinsatz, der Wagen wurden von (((denen da oben))) zum Zebrastreifen geschickt, damit die Demonstranten die Straße freimachen.
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| | Zitat von Phillinger
Sehe ich das richtig, dass die Knallköppe da nen Notarzt im Einsatz blockieren? | |
Warn Remainer-Notarzt, alles safe.
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Ab in den Startpost damit!
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| Thema: Der Brexit ( Wird das UK die EU verlassen? ) |
