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Einfach 2 Abstimmungen
Erste wählen zwischen:
- remain
- no deal
- momentaner deal
Und die zweite dann zwischen den beiden mit den meisten Stimmen
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Für die Briten reicht doch auch
[ ] bollocks!
[ ] bloody bollocks!
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| | Zitat von Sentinel2150
Einfach 2 Abstimmungen
Erste wählen zwischen:
- remain
- no deal
- momentaner deal
Und die zweite dann zwischen den beiden mit den meisten Stimmen
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Wir wissen eigentlich schon, dass die MPs Mays Deal nicht wollen, und No Deal auch nicht.
Die Abstimmung über einen Aufschub kann man ja halten, aber was dann? Man weiß immer noch nicht, was die Leute eigentlich wollen. Und wenn sie für "No Deal: nein, Aufschub: nein" stimmen, was dann?
Toll ist auch, dass die Abstimmungen erst in zwei Wochen sind, weil May weiter auf Zeit spielt. Man hat ja sonst nichts zu tun, es läuft alles wunderbar.
No-deal Brexit panic after ministers realize the UK doesn’t have the right pallets for exporting to the EU >
| | Under strict EU rules, pallets – wooden or plastic structures that companies use to transport large volumes of goods – arriving from non-member states must be heat-treated or cleaned to prevent contamination and have specific markings to confirm that they meet standards.
Most pallets that British exporters are using do not conform to the rules for non-EU countries, or “third countries,” as EU member states follow a much more relaxed set of regulations.
The Department for Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs last week told business leaders that the UK would not have enough EU-approved pallets for exporting to the continent if it leaves without a withdrawal agreement next month.
That means UK companies would be competing for a small number of pallets that meet EU rules, and those that miss out would be forced to wait for new pallets, which could take weeks to be ready. | |
| | “It is the tiny, procedural, mundane-seeming stuff that will absolutely trip people up,” one industry figure briefed by Prime Minister Theresa May’s government told Business Insider, adding that the country was “not even remotely ready” for a no-deal Brexit.
[...]
“The point of transition was that it provided the two years we needed to get ready,” one business figure told Business Insider. “Now we are trying to get ready in a few weeks. What sort of lunatic would do that?” | |
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von Herr der Lage am 26.02.2019 16:56]
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War das Problem mit dem Aufschieben nicht, dass die EU da auch Regelungen wollte, die GB nicht akzeptieren wollte?
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Das UK will keine neuen EU-Wahlen mehr abhalten.
Das müssten sie aber, wenn der Aufschub nicht nur kurz (d.h. vor den nächsten Wahlen) sein soll.
Ansonsten könnten beim nächsten EU-Parlament Leute ankommen und klagen, weil das EU-Parlament gemäß EU-Verträgen nicht rechtmäßig zustandegekommen ist, und damit auch die von ihnen neu erlassenen Regeln nichtig sind. Oder so.
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Cameron hat ganze Arbeit geleistet.
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Warum können die net einfach morgen abstimmen? Was soll das immer?!
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Irgendwann bedeutet die Ablehnung ihres Deals automatisch No Deal, weil für alles andere keine Zeit mehr bleibt. May will ihren Deal durchs Parlament kriegen, indem sie alle anderen Optionen vom Tisch nimmt.
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DHL heute so:
"Für den Fall des Hard Brexits:"
Strong and stable!
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Brüssel-Insider glauben an eine lange Verlängerung.
Macron will jede Verlängerung blockieren, die keinem bestimmten Ziel dient.
Es bleibt interessant.
Der Brexit-Termin ist in einem Monat, und wir sind genauso schlau wie vor 2,5 Jahren.
Brexit delay: France would block Article 50 extension ‘without a clear objective’, Macron says >
| | [Macron]:“We would support an extension request only if it was justified by a new choice of the British,” he told reporters.
“But we would in no way accept an extension without a clear objective.”
The president added: “As [chief negotiator] Michel Barnier said, we don’t need time – we need decisions.”
France has a veto on an Article 50 extension because all EU countries must unanimously agree to an extension for one to happen. | |
| | Spanish prime minister Pedro Sanchez warned that Theresa May would merely be “prolonging uncertainty” by requesting a short Brexit delay without a realistic plan.
“Although Spain is not going to oppose the concession of an eventual extension, it must have a certain perspective of resolution,” he said.
“Prolonging uncertainty by postponing deadlines is not a reasonable nor desirable alternative.” | |
| | | Ms Merkel struck a softer tone in the French capital, telling reporters: “If the UK needs a bit more time, we won’t say no. But we want an orderly withdrawal of the UK from the EU. We regret this decision but that’s the reality.” | |
Brussels ‘will insist on delay of two years if UK fails to agree deal’ >
| | Ministers closely involved in Brexit preparations believe the EU would probably demand an extension until December 2020, effectively replacing the planned transition period with continued EU membership.
The disadvantage for Britain is that would also delay the start of negotiations on future trade deals and UK/EU relations, which Brussels claims must begin only after the UK has left the bloc. “Any delay has to be agreed by all 27 EU countries which means we cannot stipulate how long it would be,” said a minister. “The EU does not want a short delay. It would prefer 21 months, which would mean no future relationship talks until the start of 2021.” | |
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There is always two to a Tango
-Der späte Boris Johnson, während er davonradelt.
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| | Zitat von Herr der Lage
Der Brexit-Termin ist in einem Monat, und wir sind genauso schlau wie vor 2,5 Jahren.
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So langsam könnte man Brexit-Debatten und -abstimmungen einfach als Folklore ansehen, eine inzwischen lieb gewonnene Tradition des britischen Parlaments. Finden regelmäßig statt, auch in Zukunft, haben aber keine realen Auswirkungen.
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Good riddance? EU's 'Brexit fatigue' limits UK extension options
| | One of the remainers’ staunchest friends in Brussels, the European Parliament’s Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt, summed up the new chill across the English Channel by complaining: “The Union has been taken hostage by Brexit already for too long.
“The UK has had almost two years to make up its mind. Now it is time to decide: A deal, no deal or stay,” he added, ruling out an extension much beyond EU legislative elections on May 26. [...]
Typical of even blunter language now current in private in Brussels, an envoy from one major member state told Reuters on Thursday: “The more time elapses, the less patience there is and the less we want to help ... People are fed up.” | |
| | British lawmakers do not rule out pressing to put the process on hold much longer.
In that, they may take some comfort from ideas of a long extension to the process that were floated by some EU officials after May ran into trouble with the deal at home in December.
However, EU diplomats say that a suggestion to let Britain remain a full EU member until even, say, the end of next year — which was due to be a status-quo transition period — may be as much intended to spook hardline, pro-Brexit MPs into accepting May’s deal for fear of ending up stuck inside the EU. | |
Verlängerung ja, nein, kurz, lang... mit dem Gerede von einer jahrelangen Verlängerung will man vielleicht die Brexiteers und mit einer kurzen oder gar keiner die Remainer erschrecken, in der Hoffnung, doch noch ein paar mehr Stimmen für Mays Deal zusammenzukratzen...
So langsam blicke ich überhaupt nicht mehr durch, wer was wie wirklich meint, und wer der Presse nur irgendwelche Stories auftischt, um die Abstimmungen in seinem Sinne zu beeinflussen.
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| | Man gebe in Sachen Brexit-Verlängerung derzeit eine "Kakophonie" von sich, räumte ein ranghoher EU-Diplomat ein: "Der eine sagt dieses, der andere jenes." Hinter den Kulissen aber scheint weitgehende Einigkeit zu herrschen. Sollten die Briten um eine Verlängerung bitten, würden sie sie bekommen.
Zwar glaube kaum jemand, dass die britische Politik Ende Juni weniger zerrissen ist als Ende März, sagen Diplomaten mehrerer EU-Länder unisono. Zugleich aber wolle niemand den Briten die Verlängerung abschlagen und die Verantwortung für eine No-Deal-Katastrophe übernehmen - schon deshalb nicht, weil die Londoner Brexiteers dann mit Leichtigkeit der EU die Schuld zuschieben könnten.
Bleibt die Frage, warum Macron trotzdem damit droht, die Verlängerung zu verweigern. Eine Theorie lautet, dass der Franzose damit die Chancen Mays steigern will, den Austrittsdeal doch noch durchs Parlament zu bekommen. "Wenn es zumindest eine kleine Gefahr gibt, dass die EU die Verlängerung verweigert", so ein EU-Diplomat, "dann steigert das den Druck auf die Abgeordneten, dem Deal in letzter Minute zuzustimmen." > | |
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von Herr der Lage am 01.03.2019 0:17]
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http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/brexit-theresa-may-wiegelt-angst-vor-chlorhuehnchen-ab-a-1255821.html
| | | EU-Vertreter rechnen damit, dass die Lebensmittelstandards in Großbritannien sinken könnten - und sorgen sich um die Konsequenzen für die EU. So forderte Elmar Brok (CDU), Mitglied im Brexit-Gremium des EU-Parlaments, dass im Falle eines ungeregelten Brexits die Grenze zu Nordirland wieder kontrolliert werden müsse: "Sonst haben wir bald amerikanische Chlorhühnchen in der EU." | |
die briten werden deutsche antibiotikahühnchen bald bitter vermissen!
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Die haben Standards für Essen, welche noch sinken können? Das wäre mir neu.
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| | Zitat von TylerDurdan
Ansonsten hat die USA schon angekündigt, dass man gerne die britische Agrarindustrie kaputt machen würde und auch gerne ein Sonderkündigungsrecht haben möchte, falls das VK ein zu gutes Abkommen mit China erreicht.
Und das Pfund soll bitte auch nur nach Washingtons Gnaden steigen und fallen.
https://www.ft.com/content/09bfe7ca-3bae-11e9-b72b-2c7f526ca5d0
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Gibt es das auch ohne Paywall?
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| | Zitat von red
| | Zitat von TylerDurdan
Ansonsten hat die USA schon angekündigt, dass man gerne die britische Agrarindustrie kaputt machen würde und auch gerne ein Sonderkündigungsrecht haben möchte, falls das VK ein zu gutes Abkommen mit China erreicht.
Und das Pfund soll bitte auch nur nach Washingtons Gnaden steigen und fallen.
https://www.ft.com/content/09bfe7ca-3bae-11e9-b72b-2c7f526ca5d0
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Gibt es das auch ohne Paywall?
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US takes tough line with UK on post-Brexit trade talks
googlen und dann auf den Link klicken
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dafuq, machen die das echt vom Referrer abhängg?!
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| | Zitat von red
dafuq, machen die das echt vom Referrer abhängg?!
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Ich wollte gerade Teile in einen Quote schreiben und dabei zufällig diesen versteckten Text mit erwischt:
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https://www.ft.com/content/09bfe7ca-3bae-11e9-b72b-2c7f526ca5d0
Another provision that could raise eyebrows would constrain the UK’s ability to secure a trade deal with a “non-market economy”, such as China, by creating a “mechanism to ensure transparency and take appropriate action”. This could allow the US to ditch its trade deal with the UK if it does not like the terms of any agreement London strikes with Beijing. | |
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von TylerDurdan am 01.03.2019 18:56]
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Ein Redditor ist pessimistisch, was ein "No Deal ain't happening" angeht:
| | | A no-deal Brexit ain't 'appening. It was seen off with May's concessions on Tuesday. | |
| | It took 37 days to go from the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand to the start of World War I, which could've been avoided at any point if people acted to stop it. This is the closest parallel to the situation we find ourselves in now.
> A no-deal Brexit ain't 'appening. It was seen off with May's concessions on Tuesday.
It's already happened. Ships have already left the UK for Asia with no idea of the customs regime that will apply when they arrive in Singapore.
We leave by automatic operation of Article 50 at 23:00 UK time on the 29th of March. No action is required for this to occur.
In order for an action removing no deal to occur two things are needed:
- Consensus
- Time
There is no consensus. There must be consensus in both the UK and EU for an extension to A50. Withdrawing A50 will require parliamentary consensus in the UK, but must be requested in good faith with the EU and requires actual follow-through by the PM. To obtain consensus, we need time.
There are less than 30 days to go till we leave the EU by automatic operation of the EU. Assuming we have these votes, they will take place on the 12th, 13th and 14th of March.
Why do these votes take place on the 12th, 13th and 14th of March? What's significant about the 14th? Parliament sits Monday to Thursday, so providing vote on the 14th is scheduled in the evening, there's no ability for parliament to accuse the PM of dragging her heels on action until the 18th of March. Even if she acts on the 14th, it will be the 18th before the EU will reasonably start to act upon it. Tick, tock.
On the 18th of March, there will be 11 days until we leave. However that isn't the deadline. The deadline is closer to the 20th of March.
Consider a situation in which only the A50 extension vote passes, pretending that parliament isn't broken enough for all 3 votes to fail.
The EU receives a request for extension from the UK. This will need to be agreed at the highest level. There is an EU leaders' summit on the 21st-22nd of March. This is the natural point to confirm the decision to extend A50. This is not the time for a unanimous vote, which would need to be added to the agenda at the last minute.
It is distinctly possible there will be no vote at this summit, and no opportunity to pull one together. It is also possible the vote is held, requires unanimous voting and fails to pass.
If there is no support for May's deal, no support for no deal and a request for an extension, to quote TM, "nothing has changed". EU representatives have made noises about extensions, but generally caveated them in terms of length, circumstance or both. We can guess at the circumstances we'll have. But we do know about possible lengths.
We have a request sent to the EU to extend Article 50. The decision will be made possibly on the 21st or 22nd of March. Lets pretend there is an extension. How long will it be?
The EU can reasonably grant an extension till June without the UK having to participate in EU parliamentary elections. However, realistically the EU parliament closes for elections in May. If the EU parliament is needed from this point, it will have to wait till July. If the UK does not participate in EU MEP elections, it must leave by the 1st of July before the new parliament sits.
If you see a request to extend to June 30th, you now know this means one of two things. Either the government doesn't understand how EU elections work; or sleight of hand is being used to convince parliament it can make last minute decisions in June when it cannot. May could use this to try and force through her deal again.
"But what if we participate in elections and extend till the end of the year? What then?", I hear you ask. Well, we're even more fucked in that case.
Have you ever wondered why the transitional period ends on the 31st of December 2020? It's a 21 month period (assuming we leave on March 29th) we have to negotiate a future trade deal. The EU budget period is 7 years long, and ends on the 31st of December 2020. We aren't contributing to the new budget. Any contributions will need to be negotiated before the new budget kicks in.
Trade deals are hard, and the EU has all the experienced negotiators. That trade deal negotiation will make the Withdrawal Agreement negotiations look like happy fun times, because those negotiations took place when we were still members of rather than competing with the EU. The key factor when it comes to strength isn't so much size, it's time. If you're not in a rush to close the deal, the other side doesn't have much leverage over you. Guess what we don't have? That's right, time.
We will need to close the deal before the 31st of December 2020 because of the EU budget boundary. We're paid up for this period, but unless we were to pay up contributions for the next 7 year budget period, there will be implications for the EU budget, which will not have been considered.
Thus, every day we extend for the WA becomes a day less in which to negotiate the future trade deal.
It's possible to extend beyond the 2020 date, but it will be extremely difficult, with huge amounts of resistance from the EU unless we pony up cash to put into a budget for a competing trade bloc where we will have no right to any of the money or benefits. You can see this going down well with the Tory faithful.
I wish I had something better to say, but I don't. I really do wish it, but magical thinking got us into this situation. Do enjoy the calm while you can.
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