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Tja. Machste nix.
Gibts was aktuelles von den Schotten?
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Der Brexit("Flexcit")-Befürworter Richard North ist auch kein Fan des möglicherweise bevorstehenden No-Deal-Brexits:
Brexit: a raft of agreements
| | Trading under WTO terms easily qualifies as an "unknown unknown". ... [The] WTO only covers certain aspects of trade, while our "future relationship" with the EU and its Member States goes far beyond the WTO remit. Civil aviation agreements, for instance, lie outside WTO rules, yet need to be a part of our relationship with the EU.
In some respects, therefore, a no-deal scenario means no rules at all. We may have the basic international organisations to contend with, but they tend to set frameworks within which bilateral or multilateral agreements fall. Commercial fisheries agreements tend to be like that, ... Agreements on migration ... Customs cooperation ... vehicle construction standards ... marketing standards for vegetables ... Classification and labelling of hazardous chemicals ... Financial services is another interesting issue – completely outside the remit of WTO. ... | |
| | The modern-day "free trade agreement", therefore, tends not to be a single agreement, but a composite – a framework agreement pulling together a myriad of agreements from across the globe. Take away that framework and you are left to craft individual agreements spanning a multiplicity of sectors. This, in part, explains why comprehensive agreements tend to be so long – often in excess of 1,000 pages – but it also underlines why a "no-deal" scenario is a non-starter. You end up having to tie together a confusing complex of international agreements which is almost impossible to manage.
This is one, if not the main reason why the EU is so keen on governance issues. It really does not want to manage what could be hundreds of different agreements, with different rules and procedures. Loose arrangements are far too resource-intensive and difficult to police.
But the very fact that we still have the UK side talking about tariffs and quotas suggests that our negotiators are still way down on the learning curve, more or less working from the "trade agreements for dummies" manual. If all they are doing is talking (and thinking) about WTO rules, they haven't the first idea of what is going to hit them when the transition period finally comes to an end.
The worst of it all is that we probably won't know what we are missing until some unfortunates bump up against barriers they didn't know were there, or when a job goes south because the right papers or permissions haven't been procured, or simply because some unspecified rule hasn't been followed and goods end up rotting on some distant dockside. ...
The result of all this, of course, will be a savage contraction in the UK's exports – both goods and services. Businesses don't take the risk of exporting to distant shores if they are not certain they will be paid, or if they find they are subject to hidden costs and delays which erode the profitability of transactions. In some cases, businesses will simply migrate, so that they are still covered by EU rules and know where they stand. Operating out of the UK will become a study in uncertainty, to be avoided by anyone with any sense.
The one thing we can be sure will prosper, though, is transnational organised crime (TOC) ... fifty-two activities fall under the umbrella of transnational crime, from money laundering, counterfeit goods and arms smuggling to human trafficking, prostitution, slavery and environmental crime. ... The fight against international crime itself requires a hugely complex level of international cooperation, again built on a series of treaties and formal and informal agreements. They too disappear when we slip out of the transition period with no-deal. WTO rules will be the least of our problems. | |
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Eine Katastrophe mit langer Ansage. Und nur Verlierer. Wie dumm.
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Leider hat es nicht geklappt, die durch den verzögerten Lockdown loszuwerden... Neuer Plan muss her!
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Naja, ich denke das ist jetzt wieder das übliche Getrommel was beide Seiten die letzten 28 Mal auch abfahren haben, als es so langsam richtung Fristende ging.
Schätze, was davon konkret übrig bleibt wird mal wie üblich in den 3 Wochen vorm Ende der Frist merken.
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Covid-scarred No 10 sees Brexit no deal as a doddle >
| | It is tempting to see the latest round of downbeat progress reports from the Brexit trade talks as the usual diplomatic dancing in the darkness before dawn breaks on a deal. In fact, the prospect of there being no trade deal is dramatically underpriced, particularly in Brussels, where European Union officials seem to think they have Boris Johnson and his chief negotiator, David Frost, on the run. ... A senior Tory who gets regular readouts from Brussels said: “The European view is that the UK government is so shambolic and incompetent and all over the place about Covid-19 that they will need a deal just to demonstrate some competence and that they cannot afford for it to be a shambles.”
This dangerously misunderstands the worldview of this government where the Covid crisis, far from raising the perceived dangers of no deal, has lowered them. In the midst of the worst recession in living memory, the downsides of red tape and potential tariffs seem to many in Johnson’s team like a thimble of spit in a tsunami. ...
The EU may be right to stick to its principles on a level playing field but it shouldn’t be under the misapprehension that the Vote Leavers will quietly abandon their view that Brexit is an opportunity for more freedoms, not just another crisis to be managed.
“I personally don’t know how they could think we are bluffing,” said one member of the government’s negotiating team. “I still think they think they are dealing with the previous government, for whom Brexit with no change was their MO. Now this is very much a government where Brexit does mean change.” ...
Failing to read Team Johnson correctly is one potential route to no deal. Sir Ivan Rogers, our former ambassador to the EU, has recently been warning friends and businesses that European apathy is another. He has long thought that no deal is a “better than evens” proposition. The 27 remaining member states are obsessed by their own Covid budgeting and migration. Brexit is a nuisance that is increasingly less interesting to them.
The UK pursuing a bare-bones deal has left far less upside for the EU to fight for — and consequently a far lower incentive for its members to give ground. | |
Wir haben zwar schon die Pest an Bord, aber wenn ihr uns nicht gebt, was wir wollen, werden wir nicht zögern, unseren eigenen Kahn auch noch selber zu versenken! Glaubt nicht, dass wir bluffen!
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Wir das halt nur weiße Leute im GB-Boot sitzen  .
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Das Gesamtbild war ja auch deutlich rassistisch.
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Wake up EU! You're forcing No-deal Brexit
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Kriegt Bojo das was sich Trump einwirft jetzt nach Nummer 10 geliefert?
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Germany scraps plans for Brexit talks at EU ambassadors summit >
| | The German government, which holds the rotating presidency of the EU council, had intended to discuss Brexit during a meeting of EU ambassadors on 2 September but has now dropped the issue. “Since there hasn’t been any tangible progress in EU-UK negotiations, the Brexit item was taken off the agenda,” an EU diplomat said.
The decision matters because Angela Merkel was billed as a potential dealmaker when talks on the UK-EU future relationship reach a crucial stage this autumn. ...
Dropping Brexit from next week’s diplomatic agenda is a sign of deepening pessimism in Brussels. “People underestimate how bleak the mood is in the EU negotiation team,” said an EU official who added that time was running out to negotiate a complex legal treaty expected to exceed 400 pages. “We have had the whole summer completely wasted, a cabinet that doesn’t understand how the negotiations work, a prime minister who, I think, doesn’t understand how the negotiations work – because he is under the wrong impression that he can pull off negotiating at the 11th hour.”
The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, last week declared he was surprised by the UK “wasting valuable time” as Boris Johnson had told EU leaders in June that he wanted an outline deal by July. | |
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Beware the no-deal spin as we approach Brexit endgame >
| | EU negotiators know we are serious. They hope we are not mad. But if they have to choose between compromising the “level playing field” basis for the single market, or cutting us loose, they will cut us loose. It is urgent for British politics and our news media to understand that.
Europe is in deadly earnest. Intelligent Brexiteers know it and are happy to accept no-deal as the consequence. “Bring it on” they would say. That is an honest response. But what is not honest is to pretend there was ever a chance that we could have our Brexit cake yet keep our privileged access to European markets. That was never likely. It is, in the prime minister’s father’s words, “cloud-cuckoo land”. “Why on earth” (Stanley Johnson told environmentalists in a recent podcast) “should anybody give us a free trade agreement if we’re not going to apply the same sort of standards to our production processes as our competitors are?” ...
These talks are running into the sand, and it’s foolish airily to repeat the cynicism that compromise is only ever reached a minute before midnight. ...
Watch out in the month ahead for a covertly organised campaign by ministers and the government’s chief negotiator, David Frost, to paint a picture in which “Europe” is trying to “bully” Britain. With secret excitement, Brexit hardliners are preparing the ground for a thin deal or complete failure of talks. They’ll portray this as plucky little Britain having been pushed beyond endurance by the Brussels bullies. Before you’re swept away by this propaganda, be clear in your mind that (1) a minimal (or no) deal is a choice Britain is perfectly entitled to make if we want the maximum freedom to trade in the world beyond; but (2) that would be our decision. Nobody is pushing us into this.
Brexiteers, unconfident of persuading us that a complete break is best anyway for Britain, are engaged in a sneaky mission to insinuate instead that it has been forced on us. This is the snarling whimper of the underdog, the leitmotif of all populist politics. | |
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Hat Boris schon No gesagt?
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Eine Abspaltung wäre halt auch für die EU blöd, denn die Schotten alleine will nun wirklich niemand gerne in einer Gemeinschaft 
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Die Schotten als reiner Nehmerstaat würden eine signifikante Schwächung des EU-Haushalts bedeuten.
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| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
Eine Abspaltung wäre halt auch für die EU blöd, denn die Schotten alleine will nun wirklich niemand gerne in einer Gemeinschaft
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Geht ja auch nur um möglichst große Wirtschaftsleistung in der EU, ne?
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| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
Die Schotten als reiner Nehmerstaat würden eine signifikante Schwächung des EU-Haushalts bedeuten.
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Einziges Argument?
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| | Zitat von KarlKoch
| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
Eine Abspaltung wäre halt auch für die EU blöd, denn die Schotten alleine will nun wirklich niemand gerne in einer Gemeinschaft
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Geht ja auch nur um möglichst große Wirtschaftsleistung in der EU, ne?
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Natürlich nicht. Allerdings ist der erneute Wunsch der Schotten wirtschaftlicher und nicht ideologischer Natur. Für die EU ist das einzige echte Argument für die Abspaltung die Schwächung GBs. Wobei ich zugestehe, dass das durchaus kein schwaches Argument ist und der politische Gewinn den wirtschaftlichen Verlust ausgleichen könnte.
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| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
Die Schotten als reiner Nehmerstaat
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warum sollten sie reiner Nehmerstaat sein?
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| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
| | Zitat von KarlKoch
| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
Eine Abspaltung wäre halt auch für die EU blöd, denn die Schotten alleine will nun wirklich niemand gerne in einer Gemeinschaft
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Geht ja auch nur um möglichst große Wirtschaftsleistung in der EU, ne?
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Natürlich nicht. Allerdings ist der erneute Wunsch der Schotten wirtschaftlicher und nicht ideologischer Natur. Für die EU ist das einzige echte Argument für die Abspaltung die Schwächung GBs. Wobei ich zugestehe, dass das durchaus kein schwaches Argument ist und der politische Gewinn den wirtschaftlichen Verlust ausgleichen könnte.
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Erm, nein. Und zwar alles und komplett.
Die Schotten allein auf die wirtschaftliche Motivation zu reduzieren, kommt der aktuellen Situation nicht mal ansatzweise nahe. Der Hauptwunsch dürfte aktuell eher sein, nicht von Deppen regiert zu werden. Die versuchen demokratische Gepflogenheiten zu unterwandern, um egoistische Pläne durchzukriegen.
Und der EU im Endeffekt zu unterstellen, es gehe nur darum, den Briten eine reinzuwürgen. So als wenn man die Schotten nicht als Menschen sehen würde, mit denen man weiterhin gerne enge wirtschaftliche und gemeinschaftliche Beziehungen pflegen würde.
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| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
| | Zitat von KarlKoch
| | Zitat von Onkel Toms Hütte
Eine Abspaltung wäre halt auch für die EU blöd, denn die Schotten alleine will nun wirklich niemand gerne in einer Gemeinschaft
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Geht ja auch nur um möglichst große Wirtschaftsleistung in der EU, ne?
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Natürlich nicht. Allerdings ist der erneute Wunsch der Schotten wirtschaftlicher und nicht ideologischer Natur. Für die EU ist das einzige echte Argument für die Abspaltung die Schwächung GBs. Wobei ich zugestehe, dass das durchaus kein schwaches Argument ist und der politische Gewinn den wirtschaftlichen Verlust ausgleichen könnte.
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Das Argument ist alles andere als schwach. Weiterhin mag Schottland vielleicht unter dem Strich ein Nehmerland sein, aber dennoch gibt es dort Infrastruktur, Fachkräfte und auch wirtschaftliche Verhältnisse, die weit über andere potentiellen EU Beitrittsaspiranten wie Moldawien zb.
Auserdem ist Schottland eine Demokratie und es wäre schön, eine weitere echte westliche Demokratie in der EU zu haben. Fände es schön, wenn Orban auch von nem wütenden Schotten nochmal zuhören bekommt, dass er ein autokratisches Arschloch ist.
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 2 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von [gc]Fidel am 02.09.2020 21:06]
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Lasst den Trottel doch in ruhe trollen.
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