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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
Jetzt um 9:00 wurde eigentlich eine Pressekonferenz von BoJo erwartet, dass das Ei endlich gelegt ist... aber die Fisch-Verhandlungen dauern wohl noch an.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/dec/24/brexit-deal-united-kingdom-european-union-boris-johnson-live-news-updates
24.12.2020 9:09:15  Zum letzten Beitrag
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-=Q=- 8-BaLL

-=Q=- 8-BaLL
2000 Seiten soll das Ding haben - Weihnachtslektüre. \o/

Die BBC hat schonmal 7 Dinge zusammengefasst, die sich ab 1.1. so oder so ändern.

 
Here are some of the most important things for individual citizens to think about.



https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-54195827
24.12.2020 9:39:28  Zum letzten Beitrag
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[FGS]E-RaZoR

AUP [FGS]E-RaZoR 19.09.2011
Habemus deal: https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1342119764244758528

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24.12.2020 15:51:03  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Fersoltil

AUP Fersoltil 07.04.2015
Pft. Ich bleibe skeptisch
24.12.2020 16:35:52  Zum letzten Beitrag
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[Muh!]Shadow

AUP [Muh!]Shadow 10.03.2015
Stellt es als großen Wurf dar, wenn man als Brite nur 500l anstelle 1000l Dünnschiss gurgeln muss. Diesen Typen hassen wahrscheinlich noch die eigenen Eltern.
24.12.2020 17:18:37  Zum letzten Beitrag
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BIBI BOLXBERG

Japaner BF
verschmitzt lachen
Über Weihnachten ist die Lebensmittelknappheit auf der Insel abgewandt, na wenn das mal kein Grund für ein Hoch auf den Brexit ist.

Krass, wie sehr eine entwickelte westliche Nation ihre eigenen Ansprüche zurückschrauben kann.
24.12.2020 17:29:04  Zum letzten Beitrag
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[KDO2412]Mr.Jones

[KDO2412]Mr.Jones
Und? How much is the fish?
24.12.2020 17:54:20  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1342126920926953472

 
Ursula von der Leyen says there will be an overall review after four years to ensure the level playing field is being abided by... if they [do] not follow the [LPF] rules there will be quotas and tariffs ...

As mentioned in an earlier thread, the new Joint Committee will be called "Joint Partnership Council, who will make sure the Agreement is properly applied and interpreted, and in which all arising issues will be discussed".




https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1342129735606931456

 
Brexit deal, the governance bit:

"Binding enforcement and dispute settlement mechanisms will ensure that rights of businesses, consumers and individuals are respected. This means that businesses in the EU and the UK compete on a level playing field and will avoid either party using its regulatory autonomy to grant unfair subsidies or distort competition.

Both parties can engage in cross-sector retaliation in case of violations of the agreement. This cross-sector retaliation applies to all areas of the economic partnership."
From Commission Q+A

 
EU source: fish - 5.5 year transition period till June 2026, transfer of quota of 25pc, after transition we enter an annual discussion, to discuss access, presumption of access is there in the text, if we don't agree on the TAC then there shd be provisional access for 3 mths

 
Negotiations in Brussels went down to the wire over what EU fishing boats are allowed to catch in UK waters. Fishing makes up just 0.12% of the UK's economy. >



Die EU wollte ursprünglich 18% Fischfangrechte an das UK zurückgeben, das UK wollte 80%.
Jetzt hat man sich also wohl angeblich auf 25% geeinigt in den nächsten 5,5 Jahren, und danach "schau'n mer mal".
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24.12.2020 18:00:38  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Fersoltil

AUP Fersoltil 07.04.2015
Wie ist jetzt die inner irische Grenze? Backstop?
24.12.2020 18:27:52  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
Die EU hat eine Checkliste gemacht:

EU-UK RELATIONS: Big changes compared to benefits of EU membership
24.12.2020 18:47:30  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Badmintonspieler

Leet
Brexit-Handelspakt Das steht im Abkommen
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/brexit-handelsabkommen-inhalt-101.html
24.12.2020 23:50:01  Zum letzten Beitrag
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gonzo

AUP gonzo 16.07.2021
Dieser verfickte Hurensohnverein. Ich habe son Hals.
25.12.2020 0:02:42  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Howie Hughes

Arctic
Was? Warum?
25.12.2020 0:06:06  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Armag3ddon

AUP Armag3ddon 04.01.2011
Da steht nichts von Personenfreizügigkeit. Heißt das also, die Briten haben den Marktzugang bekommen, aber sich aus der Freizügigkeit rausgewunden?
25.12.2020 0:12:10  Zum letzten Beitrag
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gonzo

AUP gonzo 16.07.2021
 
Zitat von Howie Hughes

Was? Warum?



Ja weil sich der Wichser jetzt den großen win an die Fahnen schreibt. Dabei haben sie einfach nur das UK nachhaltig gefisted.
25.12.2020 0:12:33  Zum letzten Beitrag
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seastorm

Seastorm
 
Zitat von Armag3ddon

Da steht nichts von Personenfreizügigkeit. Heißt das also, die Briten haben den Marktzugang bekommen, aber sich aus der Freizügigkeit rausgewunden?



Das sieht fast so aus. Man nennt es ja scheinbar auch Handelsabkommen.

Gefühlt fisten die Tories das UK doch spätestens seit Margaret. Keine Ahnung warum die wiedergewählt werden.
25.12.2020 0:40:20  Zum letzten Beitrag
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red

AUP Redh3ad 11.10.2009
 
Zitat von Armag3ddon

Heißt das also, die Briten haben den Marktzugang bekommen


Jein. Sie fallen zwar aus dem Binnenmarkt raus, aber es wird keine Zölle auf Güter geben.
Es wird also trotzdem Einfuhrkontrollen geben und die Im- bzw. Exporteure brauchen die entsprechenden Ein- bzw. Ausfuhrdokumente für Drittländer. Außerdem profitieren die Briten nicht mehr von anderen Handelsabkommen der EU.
Dienstleistungen werden sie nicht mehr so einfach wie zuvor in der EU anbieten können.
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25.12.2020 0:53:26  Zum letzten Beitrag
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seastorm

Seastorm
Hier gibts das noch mal etwas aufgeschlüsselt was alles nicht drin ist:
https://twitter.com/TerryReintke/status/1342141135402184706?s=20

Oder ist Twitter verlinken irgendwie No-Go wegen Algorithmen oder sonst was?
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25.12.2020 1:45:32  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Badmintonspieler

Leet
verschmitzt lachen
Wenn du alles ab dem Fragezeichen löscht, ist es kein Problem.
25.12.2020 2:00:28  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Badmintonspieler

Leet
 
Zitat von -=Q=- 8-BaLL

2000 Seiten soll das Ding haben - Weihnachtslektüre. \o/



Ein Kommentator hat gemeint, dass das optimal für die Torries ist. Wenig Zeit und lange Lektüre - deren Abgeordneten werden es nicht lesen und sich später darauf berufen können, dass wenig Zeit war und sie der Regierung vertraut haben.
25.12.2020 2:03:07  Zum letzten Beitrag
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[Muh!]Shadow

AUP [Muh!]Shadow 10.03.2015
verschmitzt lachen
 
Zitat von seastorm

Hier gibts das noch mal etwas aufgeschlüsselt was alles nicht drin ist


Das erinnert ja fast an das EU-Dokument acht Posts vorher!
25.12.2020 2:06:49  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
Brexit Is Finally Done, but It Already Seems Out of Date >

 
The world has changed radically since June 2016, when a narrow majority of people in Britain voted to leave the European Union, tempted by an argument that the country would prosper by throwing off the bureaucratic shackles of Brussels. In those days, the vision of an agile, independent Britain — free to develop profitable, next-generation industries like artificial intelligence and cut its own trade deals with the United States, China and others — was an alluring sales pitch. The buccaneers of Brexit promised to create a “Global Britain.”
That was before the anti-immigrant and anti-globalist-fueled rise of President Trump and other populist leaders who erected barriers to trade and immigration and countries turned inward. It was before the coronavirus pandemic exposed the vulnerabilities of far-flung supply chains, fueling calls to bring strategic industries back home and throwing globalism into retreat.

In the anxious dawn of 2021, buccaneers are out of fashion. The world is now dominated by three gargantuan economic blocs — the United States, China and the European Union. Britain has finalized its divorce from one of them, leaving it isolated at a time when the path forward seems more perilous than it once did.
“The whole ‘Global Britain’ model doesn’t reflect the more protectionist, nationalistic world we’re living in,” said Thomas Wright, the director of the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution. “Becoming a global free trader in 2016 is a bit like turning into a communist in 1989. It’s bad timing.”




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25.12.2020 5:12:18  Zum letzten Beitrag
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seastorm

Seastorm
 
Zitat von [Muh!]Shadow

 
Zitat von seastorm

Hier gibts das noch mal etwas aufgeschlüsselt was alles nicht drin ist


Das erinnert ja fast an das EU-Dokument acht Posts vorher!



Und ich hatte gehofft ich wäre keiner von denen traurig
25.12.2020 9:41:46  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Admiral Bohm

tf2_spy.png
Und wie ist das jetzt mit den EU Beiträgen unter dem LPF?
25.12.2020 10:07:34  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Aspe

Aspe_Kasper
 
Zitat von Herr der Lage

Die EU hat eine Checkliste gemacht:

EU-UK RELATIONS: Big changes compared to benefits of EU membership



Es gilt zwar: Deal > No Deal.
Aber ohh boy, scheint UK sich damit selbst zu bumsen.
25.12.2020 10:08:04  Zum letzten Beitrag
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cienFuchs

AUP cienFuchs 11.03.2015
aber es gibt doch jetzt quasi ein freihandelsabkommen, oder?
ich hab immer gedacht, dass es sowas nicht geben wird.
25.12.2020 12:39:50  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Howie Hughes

Arctic
 
Zitat von gonzo

 
Zitat von Howie Hughes

Was? Warum?



Ja weil sich der Wichser jetzt den großen win an die Fahnen schreibt. Dabei haben sie einfach nur das UK nachhaltig gefisted.


Achso, ich dachte, du hättest die EU gemeint.
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Die Zeit hat einige britische Pressestimmen zum Abkommen zusammengetragen.
25.12.2020 16:15:16  Zum letzten Beitrag
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[GMT]Darkness

darkness
 
Zitat von cienFuchs

aber es gibt doch jetzt quasi ein freihandelsabkommen, oder?
ich hab immer gedacht, dass es sowas nicht geben wird.



Eine Zollunion sollte es bei einem harten Brexit nicht mehr für GB geben. Die ist ja auch vom Tisch, weil es jetzt ein wirklich harter Brexit ist, ohne Personenfreizügigkeit keine Zollunion. Das hat die EU immer gesagt und auch eingehalten.

Natürlich wird das interessant zu schauen, wie konsequent das mit der Überprüfung der Regeln des Freihandelsabkommen umgesetzt wird bzw. was auch genau im Detail in diesen 2000 Seiten Vertrag steht. Denn im Prinzip, muss die EU ja trotzdem dann Zollkontrollen durchführen um sicherzustellen, dass auch die vereinbarten Mindestandards beim Warenverkehr eingehalten werden. Falls nicht, soll das wohl vor neutralen Schiedsgerichten verhandelt werden. EuGH wird dabei keine Rolle spielen. Die Schiedsgerichte kann GB aber genauso nutzen, beispielsweise wenn die sich dann durch EU-Subventionen benachteiligt fühlen sollten. Klingt für mich ähnlich wie wir das schon mit CETA haben.

Man darf gespannt sein, wie das alles in der Praxis ablaufen wird.
25.12.2020 16:22:09  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
Sieht so aus, als hätte Barnier 2017 schon gut vorhergesagt, was das am Ende für ein Brexit wird: Ein sehr harter.
Quasi eine Stufe vor dem No Deal.

 
The EU has warned Britain is heading for a ‘Hard Brexit’ – with a “killer graphic” claiming a bare-bones trade deal will be the automatic result of Theresa May’s plans.

The slide lays bare what Brussels thinks is the logic of the Prime Minister’s “red line” demands to be free of European courts, trade rules, migration and payments.>






 
Zitat von Howie Hughes

Die Zeit hat einige britische Pressestimmen zum Abkommen zusammengetragen.



Ganz interessant.

 
Der Independent findet, die Erleichterung darüber, dass endlich ein Abkommen zustande gekommen ist, solle nicht "über diesen Moment der nationalen Selbstbeschädigung hinwegtäuschen". Für Großbritannien und das übrige Europa sei die Aufgabe der unbegrenzten Freiheit des vergangenen halben Jahrhunderts, im jeweils anderen Teil unbegrenzt zu arbeiten, zu studieren und Handel zu betreiben, "traurig". Das Gefühl der Erleichterung sei sehr real und willkommen, "aber nur in dem Sinne, dass man aufhört, mit dem Kopf gegen die Wand zu schlagen."
... Großbritannien werde eine neue, eingeschränkte Beziehung eingehen zu einem Markt, den es einst mit aufgebaut hat. Wie das konkret aussehen wird, sei unkar. Auch die politische Spaltung werde bleiben. ...

Ähnlich argumentiert die Financial Times. Der Deal sei "weit weg von dem, was ein globales Handelsabkommen sein sollte". Vielmehr sei er "das absolute Minimum", auf das man sich bei den "ideologischen Unnachgiebigkeiten der Regierung" einigen konnte. Händler mögen Zölle und Quoten erspart bleiben, dafür würden sie mit extra Bürokratie konfrontiert, wenn es um Exporte in die EU geht. "Der Preis für die britische Souveränität ist im Wesentlichen der erste Deal, der nur dazu gemacht ist, um Zugänge zu beschränken".

Für den Economist ist der Deal sogar "der härteste Brexit" neben einem No-Deal-Szenario. Er regle vor allem den Güterverkehr, aber kaum Dienstleistungen, die immerhin 80 Prozent der britischen Ökonomie ausmachen und den am schnellsten wachsenden Sektor für globale Exporte darstellen.




Prospect Magazine (left-center):
This Brexit deal is emphatically nothing to celebrate: We have traded real influence for an empty husk of sovereignty >

 
Of course, the Prime Minister was wrong on almost all counts. This was the thinnest deal available within the ruinous red lines he had laid out, and preferable only to no deal at all. We already had control of everything he claimed to have won back—even fisheries, whose viability depends on exporting British catches into the EU. On only one point was he correct: his deal does indeed provide certainty. The certainty of no tariffs, yes—but also of trade barriers, red tape and reduced future prosperity. ...

For many people this will be a moment of profound sadness. Never has a government expended so much time, energy and money on making its people poorer. But it is not just about the economy. This deal doesn’t simply augur the certainty of reduced prosperity but reduced opportunity. The right to work, travel, settle and love in 27 other countries uninhibited. The diminution of cultural interaction and global influence. The ability to call the rest of Europe home. In return, we gain an empty husk of sovereignty, an arbitrary concept from the 18th century divorced from the reality of how we live—and with no concrete evidence of popular support.




/e

1246 Seiten soll der Vertrag übrigens haben. Da müssen die UK-Parlamentsabgeordneten schnell lesen, wenn sie am 30.12. darüber gut informiert abstimmen wollen.


/e²

How Brexit Talks Overcame Suspicion, Resentment and Fish >

 
For about 200 officials agonizing over the minutiae, it was time to finally emerge from the darkness. They spent more than 2,000 hours shut in rooms with little or no natural light as negotiators confronted each other in London and Brussels while Brexit was overshadowed by the human and economic cost of the coronavirus pandemic.
Some learnt to respect their opposite numbers, others grew to resent them. At times, mutual suspicion and paranoia over listening devices made Brexit look like a chapter from the Cold War, all heightened by Covid-19 restrictions. Intimate chats in cafes were out; liaisons in parks were in. One British diplomat called it “Brexit noir.” ...

For the negotiating teams, it was just another twist after spending the greater part of 2020 poring over air cargo, fingerprint data and—critically—100 different fish species. One official described the process as like “pulling out eyelashes, one by one.” They lived out of suitcases, working through two waves of infections that forced many into isolation. On occasions, tears were shed when they thought they were about to fail, even as recently as the morning of the deal. In the end, many were airlifted out of Brussels on an RAF plane to get home for Christmas. ...

Months went by in almost constant deadlock, though. Barnier told Frost that before going into a submarine you need to make sure the doors are firmly shut, in response to Frost’s requests to intensify negotiations. As one negotiator put it: “There’s only so many times you can tell each other exactly the same thing about fish without going slightly crazy.” ...

For all the hours together, the two sides spent most of the time talking past each other. Even when Johnson and von der Leyen spoke again on the phone, officials said it sounded like they were talking from completely different positions. The reasons for Brexit were something many on the EU side struggled to understand. While “sovereignty” became the U.K.’s mantra throughout the nine months, it was a running joke among the EU negotiators. Whenever Frost tweeted the word, they expected little to be achieved for the next few days. ...

Asked how they planned to celebrate the deal, one member of the U.K. group already knew: “I'm going to sleep.”

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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
EU accomplishes its mission of Brexit damage limitation >

 
For the EU, this arduous task was always about limiting the damage from a UK withdrawal that has few upsides. From that perspective, it has been a resounding success both in terms of process and strategy. For a bloc that is so often hamstrung by divergent interests among its member states — and for British politicians who had banked on divide-and-conquer tactics — it has provided a lesson in the power of unity. ...

To be sure, the EU made substantial concessions during the course of 2020. It gave up on its demands that the European Court of Justice adjudicate disputes and that UK state aid, environmental and labour rules matched EU ones. It will also be busy with negotiations and quarrels with London for years to come — even if this agreement should provide for a more stable relationship than the multiple, transitory accords it has with Switzerland.

But the EU has achieved its main objectives. It has maintained internal unity to a remarkable degree, even with Eurosceptic governments more sympathetic to the Brexit cause. It stood up for a smaller member state, Ireland, which has most to lose from the UK’s departure. But every member state could see itself losing out were the UK able to undercut EU state aid, environment or labour rules. The integrity of the single market has been preserved. The UK has agreed to binding constraints and adjudication.

Brexit Britain will not have its cake and eat it. The principle that single market access comes with obligations was essential to preserving the deterrent effect of Brexit. Political turmoil in the UK has made support for EU exit a political liability for Eurosceptics on the continent. Few openly advocate it. The power asymmetry in the process has been undeniable. The chaos at British ports this week following French border closures has underlined UK dependence on the goodwill of others.
...

Ultimately, says Catherine de Vries, professor at Bocconi university in Milan, much will depend on how Britain fares on the outside. “If the UK looks like it is going to do well in 10 years, that is going to create an interesting dynamic.”

Before that, though, the UK and the EU will both have to adjust to the end of frictionless trade. Even with this deal, nobody is a winner.




Brexit Deal Done, Britain Now Scrambles to See How It Will Work

 
Britain is finally departing from the European Union, but its formal exit is only the beginning of a high-stakes experiment to unstitch commercial relations across an integrated continent.
...

“We are going to have to learn how to do this as we go,” said Shane Brennan, chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation, a British group representing logistics firms. “Let’s hope it’s for the better in the end, but it will be slow, complex and expensive.”

British distributors, spared the calamity of a no-deal separation, were nevertheless scrambling to prepare the first of hundreds of thousands of new export certifications to allow their meat, fish and dairy to be sold to the bloc. British food, once exempt from such burdensome checks, now faces the same inspections as European imports from countries like Chile or Australia.

Britain’s services sector — encompassing not only London’s powerful financial industry, but also lawyers, architects, consultants and others — was largely left out of the 1,246-page deal, despite the sector accounting for 80 percent of British economic activity.




https://twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1342137512488296448 >

 
10 reflections on the Brexit process ...

2. Most Brits have no idea how hard Brexit will be. Travelers, manufacturers & farmers will suffer irksome friction at borders; service companies will lose access to EU markets; businesses that import EU workers will be hurt. So UK will be less attractive to foreign investors.

3. Leaving the EU is rather like accession in reverse: when joining EU, a country has to take EU's terms or it doesn't get in. Once UK had set its red lines, EU decided the broad outlines of the deal it would get. EU has ceded on details, but overall shape is what it wanted. ...

5. May's govt sought a mid-spot on spectrum, Johnson chose an extreme position of maximising sov'y. Future historians will ask why UK disregarded economics during negotiations - eg much attention paid to fish, yet financial services and car industry were ignored; eg '[Fuck Business]' ...

7. When the Brits realise what a thin deal they've got, their politicians will debate how/whether to improve it. Labour is likely to seek closer economic & security ties. For one reason or another, UK & EU will be in permanent negotiation, for at least 50 years. Ask the Swiss. ...

9. The question of UK rejoining EU won't be on the political agenda for at least a generation. Many Remainers want to make the best of a bad job & move on. EU wdn't want an application from a country that lacked a national consensus in favour of rejoining - which is far away.

10. Brexit adds to uncertainty about UK unity (many Brexiteers care little about this). It's helping to boost support for SNP & Scottish independence. And nobody can be sure how new border in Irish Sea will affect politics in N IRE - which'll stay in single mkt & customs Un'n.




https://mobile.twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1342832972647555072

 
Fish thread.
Having read the Brexit deal, I believe B. Johnson misled the nation on Thurs when he said Britain could catch “all the fish that it wants” in UK waters in 5 years’ time. The clear presumption in the text is that EU fleets will have similar access after 2026. The UK fish industry will have to pay a high price in EU import tariffs if that access is withdrawn. Overall… the deal falls far short of the exaggerated “sea of opportunity” promises made to UK fishermen.
The headline quota compromise - reducing EU catches in the UK 200 mile zone by 25% over five and a half years – is balanced enough. But different fishers will study the small-print with delight OR anger. Some EU quotas will be cut more than others.

Fisheries, we were told, would be a big Brexit winner. No it won’t. On this deal, the UK industry will certainly lose more from Brexit (no more frictionless access to the EU market) than it gains (incremental, extra quotas over the next 5 years).

...
The agreement says that the annual “consultations should normally result in each Party granting” the quotas shown in the annexes. In other words, there is a presumption of enduring shares after the 2021-2026 25% cut - something that the EU had always insisted upon. What happens if one side refuses or reduces access after June 2026? “Compensatory measures” can be imposed “commensurate to the economic and societal impact of the change”. A joint tribunal will sit if necessary. The measures can include tariffs and tit for tat closures.
So Boris Johnson’s claim on Christmas Eve - that the UK will be “free to catch and eat as much fish as it likes from UK waters” after 2026 – is a slippery fib. We can close our waters but we would pay a heavy price for doing so in tariffs on fish exports to the EU. That price would mostly be borne by the UK fisheries industry itself which relies heavily on exports to the EU market. The extra fish which UK has been given in the deal include some cod/haddock (that we like) but many more saithe/ hake (which we mostly sell to Fr and Sp).

In other words, if we take more fish after 2026, we might have nowhere to sell the extra fish we have already won. The deal recognises, in effect, what some people have been saying for years. Like it or not, the UK fishing industry is tangled up with Europe.




UK-EU Trade Deal Winners and Losers

 
When a larger player with a more clearly defined objective goes up against a smaller, newer one without such clarity, and the lead strategy of threatening to walk away which does not convince the other side, the outcome is unsurprising. The larger player, the EU, will get most of what they want, the smaller player, the UK, will get a sprinkling of success but mostly not on their terms. Thus is the outcome of the UK-EU talks. ...

Nobody ‘wins’ trade deals anyway, both sides always have to make compromises. But in general the EU delivered their top priorities, with the most stringent level playing field terms ever seen in a trade agreement to protect the social market, maintenance of the previous text on Northern Ireland and geographical indications, and a good outcome on fishing with a long transition period in which EU fleets can have continued strong access. They probably did not particularly win on the lowest priority of promoting the EU regulatory system, with the UK desire for regulatory independence proving strong, but in doing so also denied UK asks such as mutual recognition which contradicted other UK asks.

The UK had less success with stated priorities, perhaps reflecting that these weren’t in the end the real priorities. There is a single reference to the ECJ required to stay in the EU Horizon programme, a case of priorities clashing. Confirmation of Northern Ireland being in a separate regulatory zone. Those stringent level playing field rules and the minimal EU cut and long transition period on fishing particularly disappointing results for two issues that the UK held out on settling, suggesting earlier resolution could have been beneficial. ...

In the end for the UK it seems the fear of losing car manufacturing, coupled with fear of border chaos, were a higher priority than fish or the level playing field. But this meant that the UK settled on other issues such as fish without any reward. The threats to walk away turned out to be empty, perhaps a legacy of the acerbic departed chief adviser Dominic Cummings who had also made much more of EU asks on state aid and level playing field that were perhaps warranted. UK asks for example on financial services and rules of origin for electric vehicles were not fully granted, though the latter has a transition period. Even what should have been a straightforward ask to reduce checks on food exported to the EU through equivalence did not happen. The UK now faces high non-tariff barriers, even if there are some minor facilitations, with a framework in place that should allow others to be achieved in the future potentially by a government prioritising better EU trade links.




https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1342572478028251142 >

 
My hot take is that while, yes, the EU-UK trade deal has been negotiated in record time, it could quite easily have been all wrapped up by the end of the summer.

They’ve ended up going with the obvious compromises. The rationale for dragging it out mainly theatre & domestic politics. On UK side the later the better, because it leaves less opportunity for parliamentary scrutiny; on EU side needed to be seen to fight the good fight on fish.
Rather than negotiations, most of this year has just been choreography.
Merry Christmas!




https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1342749971142029312

 
About ten pages of the UK-EU trade agreement are devoted to setting up - without exaggeration - dozens and dozens of UK-EU talking shops

Committees, assemblies, working groups and so on

All with various powers and functions

Welcome to the future, negotiations without end




https://twitter.com/AntonSpisak/status/1342898562078793728
https://twitter.com/syrpis/status/1343090301037146115

 
The Brexit deal marks a new beginning of a complex relationship in which Britain and the EU will have to learn to live together differently.

This is the new institutional infrastructure set up by the treaty. New Partnership Council, 19 specialised committees, 4 working groups.


 
And all so that the newly sovereign UK can - finally - free itself from the EU’s regulatory orbit. Apparently.

The UK has lost its say in the making of EU rules. Now, there are a whole set of new mechanisms seeking to ensure it does not diverge too much.

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