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Die Diskussion dreht sich nach meinem Verständnis darum, dass auch Leute aus niederen Gründen zum spenden motiviert werden, die das sonst wahrscheinlich nicht tun würden und wie das zu bewerten sei.
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jein. Zumindest habe ich das nicht so aufgefasst.
Dass Leute so motiviert werden ist imho völlig ok. Der Krieg wird davon ja nicht schlimmer als ohnehin schon.
Mein Problem sind nur die Leute, die so ein Angebot brauchen um sich motivieren zu lassen. Wie abgestumpft kann man eigentlich sein.
Entweder will man helfen, in welcher Form auch immer, oder eben nicht. Wenn es so eine Motivation braucht sollte man sich selbst mal dringend hinterfragen.
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Ich brauch's für mich nicht, aber wenn irgendwelche Liveleak-Dullis nur mit der Kohle rausrücken, wenn sie dafür zugucken können, wie ein Angriffskriegteilnehmer Schrapnell frisst, dann sollen sie das doch kriegen, wenn dafür die Verteidigungsfähigkeit der Ukraine gestärkt wird.
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| | Zitat von Jellybaby
| | Zitat von d.n.M. *TtC*
Die Diskussion dreht sich nach meinem Verständnis darum, dass auch Leute aus niederen Gründen zum spenden motiviert werden, die das sonst wahrscheinlich nicht tun würden und wie das zu bewerten sei.
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jein. Zumindest habe ich das nicht so aufgefasst.
Dass Leute so motiviert werden ist imho völlig ok. Der Krieg wird davon ja nicht schlimmer als ohnehin schon.
Mein Problem sind nur die Leute, die so ein Angebot brauchen um sich motivieren zu lassen. Wie abgestumpft kann man eigentlich sein.
Entweder will man helfen, in welcher Form auch immer, oder eben nicht. Wenn es so eine Motivation braucht sollte man sich selbst mal dringend hinterfragen.
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Diese Leute sind aber hier und heute da, und die änderst du auch nicht kurzfristig.
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Ethische Analyse:
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Tugendethik:
Hier ist eine Handlung gut, wenn ihre Motivation in einer oder mehreren positiven Charaktereigenschaften begründet ist. Diese stehen mit negativen Charaktereigenschaften in Konkurrenz.
Kann man hier grob als Hilfsbereitschaft gegen Lust (eventuell Rache oder Berauschen an Gewalt) definieren. Ausserdem gibt es die Gewichtungen Mässigung (als rechtes Mass verstehen) und Übermass oder Mangel, die man beachten muss.
Das Fazit dürfte hier sein, eine Spendenmöglichkeit ohne garantierte Lustbefriedigung zu suchen, um moralisch optimal zu handeln. Die alten Griechen und ihre Götter hätten allerdings natürlich Verständnis für ein gutes Mass an Rache.
Pflichtethik:
Hier ist eine Handlung gut, wenn ihr Ziel ist, eine oder mehrere positiven Pflichten zu erfüllen oder Verboten zu gehorchen. Pflichten und Verbote können in Wettbewerb stehen.
Kann man hier als "Du sollst helfen." und "Du sollst nicht schaden." definieren. Idealerweise sind die Pflichten universell gültig. Aufkommen kann die Frage, ob man allen Menschen gleich verpflichtet ist. Irgendwo in diesem Frageknäuel ist auch das Toleranzparadoxon versteckt.
Schwierig. Pflichtenethiker sind mir suspekt, auch aufgrund des Mörders an der Tür, dem man das Opfer verraten soll.
Nutzenethik:
Hier ist eine Handlung gut, wenn ihr Resultat in mehr Nutzen als Schaden, auch als mehr Freud als Leid definiert, verursacht.
Nutzen ist hier Hilfe für die betroffenen Ukrainer und die Verminderung deren aktuellen und auch zukünftigen Leidens. Schaden ist die Erschwerung, Verwundung und Tötung der Soldaten der russischen Armee, die einen unrechtmässigen Angriffskrieg von genozidalem Ausmass gegen die Ukraine führen.
Da man davon ausgehen kann, dass die Verwundung oder Tötung eines russischen Soldaten zur Folge hat, dass zukünftig Leid von einer weitaus grösseren Zahl von Ukrainern abgewandt wird, dürfte die Bewertung hier zugunsten der Spende ausfallen, vielleicht sogar die Spende mit Video präferieren, und zwar aus folgender Überlegung:
Wenn solche Videos viral gehen, könnte das auch dazu dienen, dass die moralischen Verletzungen, die viele Leute bisher durch die offen zur Schau gestellten Gräueltaten der russischen Armee erlitten haben, gemindert werden, da man sieht, dass schlechte Taten Konsequenzen haben.
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von [Kekse]Adeptus Astartes am 27.08.2022 15:18]
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Jeder tote Russe, der gerade auf ukrainischem Staatsgebiet ist, ist ein guter Russe.
Das die Welt durch diesen Krieg nicht gerade moralisch integrer wird: geschenkt. Aber die Abwehr des Feindes ist dem deutlichst übergeordnet, weil der Feind ein Barbar ist.
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| | Zitat von AJ Alpha
Jeder tote Russe, der gerade auf ukrainischem Staatsgebiet ist, ist ein guter Russe.
Das die Welt durch diesen Krieg nicht gerade moralisch integrer wird: geschenkt. Aber die Abwehr des Feindes ist dem deutlichst übergeordnet, weil der Feind ein Barbar ist.
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Ich finde es tatsächlich wichtig, dass man diese Debatte nicht mit einem "geschenkt" abtut und sehe diesen Anspruch gerade auch im hier stattfindenden Wertekonflikt als eine sehr wichtige Unterscheidung an.
Dein erster Absatz ist ja auch Konsens hier und niemand macht der ukrainischen Seite einen Vorwurf.
Aber die durchaus stattfindende, schleichende Verrohung des Gespräches (ich fand bspw. die Orkbezeichnungen anfangs auch lustig und kann den emotionalen Aspekt sehr gut nachvollziehen, langfristig empfinde ich das aber für uns Semi-Außenstehende als sehr negative Entwicklung) ist in meinen Augen bedenklich. Kurz: Wenn ich mein Spendenverhalten daran kopple, dass ich ein voyeuristisches Video des Resultats sehe und Mehrarbeit verursache, dann finde ich den damit verbundenen Eigennutz mehr als kritikwürdig.
Und nur zur Klarstellung: Ich hätte seit Konfliktbeginn gerne die Ukraine mit all unseren Waffen von hinten bis vorne zugeschissen. Und damit gehen als Resultat natürlich auch mehr tote russische Streitkräfte einher.
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| | How Putin's Daughter Traveled Unnoticed to Germany
Over the course of several years, Katerina Tikhonova made numerous trips to Bavaria together with an entourage of bodyguards. DER SPIEGEL reporting has revealed that the German authorities knew nothing of the excursions.
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https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/pleasure-trips-from-moscow-how-putin-s-daughter-traveled-unnoticed-to-germany-a-3a501a1a-c696-4a17-89db-b1369e21c68f
| | | It is also alarming that German intelligence services were unaware of virtually all of the trips taken to Germany by Putin's daughter and her retinue. "We would really like to have known about them," says a German official, who holds a senior post. John Sipher, former head of Russian operations for the CIA, isn't particularly surprised. "All intelligence services work at the behest of their political leaders," he says. "The policy of the (German) government as it relates to Russia has been: 'No waves.' No one in power seemingly wanted to find out things about Russia because it might cause an unwanted confrontation. So, why should anyone scrutinize Putin's daughter?" | |
| | | "Armed bodyguards from the Russian presidential protective services are traveling unnoticed through Bavaria and nobody cares," complains Sebastian Fiedler, a domestic policy expert from Chancellor Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats (SPD) and a member of German parliament, the Bundestag. The case, he says, is "a prime example" for the fact that "in the past decades, we haven't developed a strategy for responding to Russian agents and their activities. We cannot continue like that." A regime that launches a war of aggression in Europe, Fiedler says, must trigger "a significant boost to the operative abilities of security agencies." | |
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Ich würde auch spenden wenn jemand mit einer GoPro auf dem Kopf ein MRE löffelt wo auf der Packung lolpot steht, das ist halt etwas greifbarer so.
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von ghostbear am 27.08.2022 21:49]
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| | How Putin's Daughter Traveled Unnoticed to Germany
Over the course of several years, Katerina Tikhonova made numerous trips to Bavaria together with an entourage of bodyguards. DER SPIEGEL reporting has revealed that the German authorities knew nothing of the excursions.
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https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/pleasure-trips-from-moscow-how-putin-s-daughter-traveled-unnoticed-to-germany-a-3a501a1a-c696-4a17-89db-b1369e21c68f
| | | It is also alarming that German intelligence services were unaware of virtually all of the trips taken to Germany by Putin's daughter and her retinue. "We would really like to have known about them," says a German official, who holds a senior post. John Sipher, former head of Russian operations for the CIA, isn't particularly surprised. "All intelligence services work at the behest of their political leaders," he says. "The policy of the (German) government as it relates to Russia has been: 'No waves.' No one in power seemingly wanted to find out things about Russia because it might cause an unwanted confrontation. So, why should anyone scrutinize Putin's daughter?" | |
| | | "Armed bodyguards from the Russian presidential protective services are traveling unnoticed through Bavaria and nobody cares," complains Sebastian Fiedler, a domestic policy expert from Chancellor Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats (SPD) and a member of German parliament, the Bundestag. The case, he says, is "a prime example" for the fact that "in the past decades, we haven't developed a strategy for responding to Russian agents and their activities. We cannot continue like that." A regime that launches a war of aggression in Europe, Fiedler says, must trigger "a significant boost to the operative abilities of security agencies." | |
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Wir brauchen mehr Vorratsdatenspeicherung und Bundestrojaner.
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Aber die sind doch gegen KiPo, hast du nicht aufgepasst?
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Internet verstanden
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Meme Magic is real 
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Joa
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1563805867912433664
| | Summary of the daily livestream with Aleksey Arestovych
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Ukrainian aviation and artillery continue to strike targets in the south and east of Ukraine. Large ammo depot in Kherson has been destroyed. ...
Bridge over the Inhulets in Dar'ivka was hit, Kakhovka dam also hit and locals claim that it is 1 strike away from being fully inoperable.
A single truck can cross if done carefully, but tanks can not. With every such strike, the crossing capacity of the bridges is further degraded despite Russian efforts. 9-12 hits on the Antonovskiy bridge.
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https://twitter.com/ArtisanalAPT/status/1563955243767005191
| | 27 Aug #Kherson #AntonovskiyBridge update.
Barge bridge remains at a length of 630 meters, unchanged since 25th. North side has a more substantial vehicle ramp onto the barge. Recent damage appears unrepaired. No construction equipment visible.
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1563990046503575552
| | Russian coastal radar site burning south of Sevastopol, Crimea
At least one 55Zh6U Nebo-U and a 48Ya6-K1 Podlet K1 can be seen at the site. It's most likely attached to the nearby S-400 battery manned by the 12th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment.
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Zeit-Ticker
| | Ukrainisches Militär greift russische Kommandoposten und Munitionsdepots an
Ukrainische Truppen haben nach eigenen Angaben im Gebiet Cherson im Süden des Landes drei russische Kommandoposten und mindestens zwei Munitionsdepots attackiert. Dabei seien elf russische Soldaten getötet worden, teilte das Kommando Süd der ukrainischen Armee mit. Zudem seien nach ersten Erkenntnissen elf Raketenwerfer, drei gepanzerte Fahrzeuge und eine selbstfahrende Haubitze zerstört worden.
Der von Russland eingesetzte Verwaltungschef Wladimir Leontjew bestätigte gegenüber der russischen Staatsagentur Ria Nowosti ukrainische Angriffe. Die Stadt Nowa Kachowka sei vier Mal beschossen worden. Dabei sei auch ein Wasserkraftwerk mit einem strategischen wichtigen Übergang über den Fluss Dnipro getroffen worden. Alle Angaben ließen sich zunächst nicht unabhängig überprüfen. | |
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1563935001753829377
| | "We must stop self-deception that we ever received cheap gas from 🇷🇺. We might not have paid a lot of money for it but we paid for it with safety and independence. And Ukrainians already paid for it with thousands of lives"
- @ABaerbock, German Foreign Affairs Minister
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https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1564028657018015755
| | A painful insight which everyone should read and understand. Our governments - and yes, you know which ones to blame most of all - made a very dubious choice back in March. And we're facing pain anyway. And the war is horrible and it continues.
Food for thought. Now: | |
| | An embargo of Russian energy is about intertemporal trade-offs. An embargo would have front-loaded pain for the West with high energy prices & recession. But it would have wrought economic devastation on Russia and - with high probability - would have forced Putin to end the war.
We didn't do that. In fact, we did the opposite by carving out Russian energy from sanctions. That's left us with energy prices that are soaring anyway, recession that for Europe is coming anyway & a "forever war" in Ukraine that's a source of major destabilization for the world.
So, by deciding not to do an embargo, we really just made an intertemporal choice. Instead of taking pain upfront, we are taking pain for an open-ended amount of time. The amount of time is open-ended because we are not shutting down Putin's major source of cash: oil exports...
For the West, the question is what's better: upfront pain in the hope that it helps end the war quickly vs a long-drawn out episode. It's far from clear what's better as we're now finding out. Of course, if the war escalates, we may end up having to do a hard embargo anyway...
Point here is to look at the last 6 months as a natural experiment. We decided NOT to do something. We're now observing the costs of that, which are already considerable, mounting & open-ended. That should steer how we deal with current account surplus autocracies going forward.
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https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1563122136587202560
https://twitter.com/CarloMasala1/status/1563138586798538753
| | Geschichtsbuchmoment:
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Six months ago, amid rumors he'd fled, Zelensky posted video from barricaded Kyiv. "The PM is here, the party leader is here, the President is here… We are all here. Our troops are here. Our citizens are here. Defending our independence. Glory to Ukraine!"
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Russland beginnt neue Phase der Mobilisierung | Zeit
| | Bislang hat Russland seine Soldaten vor allem in wirtschaftsschwachen Regionen rekrutiert. Doch nun sollen sie auch aus den Metropolen Moskau und St. Petersburg kommen.
Russland will für den Krieg in der Ukraine die personelle Stärke seines Militärs ausbauen. Nach Angaben des ukrainischen Militärgeheimdienstes GUR will die russische Regierung 90.000 weitere Menschen für den Einsatz als Soldat anwerben. Das würde die Gesamtzahl der dort kämpfenden russischen Truppen auf eine Viertelmillion erhöhen. Wie ein Sprecher der Nachrichtenplattform Liga sagte, sind dafür weitere Reservebataillone und sogenannte Freiwilligeneinheiten geplant.
Wie das Institute for the Study of War (ISW) in seiner aktuellen Analyse zum Kriegsverlauf schreibt, steht die russische Militärführung vor einer neuen Mobilisierungsphase. Denn bislang hat sich die Rekrutierung neuer Soldaten für den Krieg in der Ukraine vor allem auf wirtschaftsschwache Regionen in der Peripherie konzentriert. Bislang wurden vor allem in Regionen wie Tuwa, Burjatien, in den Nordkaukasus-Republiken und anderen Gebieten mit ethnischen Minderheiten Soldaten rekrutiert und mobilisiert. Dort sind laut dem ISW die Kapazitäten ausgeschöpft. Laut GUR-Sprecher Vadim Skibitskij sollen nun die Städte Moskau und St. Petersburg und die dazugehörigen Regionen in den Fokus rücken.
Dass dies zu einer wesentlichen Steigerung der russischen Kampfkraft führen wird, ist laut ISW eher unwahrscheinlich. Die Mobilisierung in den wirtschaftlich stärkeren und besser ausgebildeten Regionen Russlands dürfte auf Widerstand stoßen.
Am 25. August hatte der russische Präsident Wladimir Putin einen Erlass unterzeichnet, mit dem die Sollstärke der russischen Armee auf gut 1.150.000 Menschen erhöht wird – eine Steigerung um fast 140.000. Russland hat bereits Zehntausende Soldaten verloren, es werden aber nur sehr wenige Vertragssoldaten rekrutiert werden. Zudem sind die Wehrpflichtigen nicht verpflichtet, außerhalb des russischen Hoheitsgebiets zu dienen.
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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1563759316611616774
| | ISW: Russia exhausted recruitment pool of peripheral and disenfranchised regions.
According to the Institute for the Study of War, Russia cannot continue recruitment efforts in peripheral regions and may have to depend on central Russia for further recruits.
The U.S. think tank also reported that Russia's 3rd Army Corps have been deployed but is "unlikely to generate effective combat power."
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https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1562945133745950724
| | Not worth commenting on putin's order to increase the russian clown forces by 137,000 troops.
russia already fell short of its military enlistment goal by 160,000 BEFORE it invaded Ukraine and lost 40,000+ soldiers KIA and 30,000 WIA.
It's just more kremlin gremlins bullshit.
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Some numbers about putin's 137,000 troop increase.
• russia's military already falls short of its recruiting goal by 160,000 troops
• Add to this around 80,000 russian troops KIA, permanently maimed, POW, or deserted since putin's invasion of Ukraine started
• so in total putin will need to find 377,000 idiots to fill up his military to the envisioned strength - no chance to do that unless he orders full mobilization
• if he find 240,000 idiots he can fill out existing units and replenish units chopped up in Ukraine
• if he finds another 137,000 idiots - that's 250+ new battalions, for which he needs officers and NCOs... that have to be taken out of existing units, which have all been chopped up in Ukraine
• taking out officers and NCOs from already severely depleted battalions will fully wreck these units
• raising new battalions without experienced officers/NCOs will result in undisciplined, useless rabble
• last but not least, except for Kalashnikovs, russia's industry can't equip 250 new battalions
putin is just dickwagging for internal consumption.
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https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1563477748974493699
| | russia is raising a 3rd Army "Corps" right now... from old, overweight volunteers.
And don't be fooled - this ain't a Corps like NATO's, which have 3-4 divisions and field 60-80,000 troops.
This is a russian "corps" = something like an understrength division | |
https://twitter.com/tom_bullock_/status/1563469549852172288 | Thread Reader
| | At this point I’d say it’s fairly clear that Russia’s leadership intends for the 3rd Army Corps (3AC) to be used offensively. Russia has held back a lot of high end kit including BMP-3, T-80BVM, T-90M, and even the latest AK-12 models
This is in pretty stark difference to other volunteer units (like this Ossetian one) which Russia flung into Ukraine with minimal training and very outdated kit (T-62, BMP-1, MT-LB etc.) This is probably an indicator of how bad Russia’s manpower situation was at the time.
It’s going to interesting to how/if the volunteers making up the 3AC can fulfil their offensive goals. For the most part the unit is manned by old, often out of shape, men. One of the units making up the 3AC is this volunteer battalion from Bashkortostan.
Aside from a pretty poor manpower pool the 3AC will also suffer as @RALee85 has pointed out from a lack of experienced officers and NCOs. Most of the current volunteer battalion commanders I’ve id’d are local officials and heads of veteran’s associations.
As a final point, there’s a lot we don’t know about the 3AC. They don’t from what I’ve seen have much in the way self-propelled artillery, we don’t know what their air defence looks like, or what % of the manpower requirement has been fulfilled.
Some more info from the ever brilliant @CITeam_ru. First look at 3AC air defence assets, further confirmation of the T-90M being fielded by the corps, and indicators forward elements are beginning to deploy.
@DefMon3’s ORBAT is pretty representative at f what the corps is intended to comprise. Worth noting “air defence division” == battalion in Russian parlance.
| | The other day i talked about RU trying to set up a new unit, the 3rd Army Corps. I've been trying to work out the names of the units, it was a bit tricky since they were all in Ukrainian and abbreviation. This is what i came up with.
3rd Army Corps
6th Motorized Rifle Division
10th Tank regiment
54th Motorized Rifle Regiment
55th Motorized Rifle Regiment
27th Artillery Regiment
72nd Separate Motorized Riffle Regiment
17th High power Artillery Regiment
44th Anti Aircraft Company
52 Separate Anti Aircraft Division/Brigade
148th Ingelligence Company
9th Special Purpose Plutoon
38th Engineering/Sapper Battalion
8th NPC Protection Battalion/Plutoon (Thermobaric)
154th Separate restore and repair battalion | |
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https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1562517944600764416
| | The most important vehicles for infantry on the offensive are infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), as they provide firepower and protection.
No Western country is giving IFVs to Ukraine... which shows that the West wants to attrition russia into retreat, but not see it defeated.
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https://twitter.com/gloefflmann/status/1562141910378201089 | Thread Reader
| | “The USA possesses 2,833 active M1 Abrams MBTs with a further 3,500 in storage.” If the United States or Germany wanted to equip Ukraine with modern Western main battle tanks (if not absolute state of the art ones) they’d have the stockpiles to do so.
That no NATO country has so far supplied either MBTs or IFVs is a political decision not to enable Ukrainian offensive ops with Western frontline equipment.
This seems motivated by a genuine concern that
a) such a move would mean an escalation of the conflict w Russia and
b) that the capture or destruction of Western tanks on the frontline in Ukraine would provide Russia with an unwanted propaganda coup.
Both these concerns can be criticised as either irrelevant or overblown, but they seems to guide military strategy and political decision-making for now.
The endlessly repeated debate over Leopard/Marder, either from Bundeswehr or German industry stock that starts up again whenever Berlin announces new weapons deliveries is therefore a mute point.
Unless there is a strategic rethink on the level of the US/NATO to enable UKR offensive ground operations directly with frontline military equipment, no such weapons from Western arsenals will be forthcoming. For the moment, I see neither in the White House, nor Downing Street No. 10, the Élysée, or the Chancellery any movement that would indicate such a change of policy when it comes to militarily supporting Ukraine.
The strategic and operational focus remains on strengthening Ukrainian defences and maintaining their ability to prevail in a war of attrition. The US and her NATO allies support a holding action and counter-attacks e.g. on Russian artillery positions, ammunitions depots, command posts, logistics hubs, airfields, etc. But they don’t directly enable large-scale counter-offensives to break through the Russian lines and reconquer lost territory on a large scale.
A strategic stalemate might ensue after this first phase of the war, with Russia holding on to some if not all conquered territory (e.g. withdraw from Kherson). Only the year-long process of wholistic Westernization and modernisation of the Ukrainian armed forces (e.g supply with 100 PzH-2000) would then ultimately provide the necessary material foundations for the reconquest of the Donbass, and perhaps Crimea.
If this is indeed the strategic calculus of the West, the expectation would be for Kyiv to hold out for now, but to leave the larger fight back for a much later date.
This is not an endorsement of policy btw, but an analysis of the political and strategic rationales that seem to guide Western decision-making vis-a-vis Ukraine on the issue of MBTs/IFVs. If you don’t like it, please go complain to the policy makers in charge.
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https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1560924494423900161
| | Excalibur GPS-guided 155 mm projectile in airburst mode taking out a russian Zoopark-1 counter-battery radar, which is so useless it didn't see that Ukrainian artillery was firing at it.
To clarify:
• 1st an airburst Excalibur
• 2nd a first SMArt submunition
• 3rd to 5th standard projectiles in super quick mode
• 6th the second SMArt submunition
In total five projectiles were fired. The nearly simultaneous impacts make this definitely the work of a PzH 2000.
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https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1563886850984509442
| | Russian media say 65-year-old Elena Belova, who set fire to a Russian military official's car in Moscow, was kidnapped by Ukrainian special forces, hypnotized and taught by them how to burn cars.
An absurd fairy tale to mask public opposition to the Kremlin's war on Ukraine.
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1563456892193894400
| | A Russian reviews a Ukrainian fortified firing position, location unspecified.
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https://twitter.com/gepardtatze/status/1563793557034516480
All 20+ Ukrainian HIMARS & M270 & MARS remain in service. The RF has not managed to destroy a single one. But 50+ Russian depots with weapons and ammunition are out of action. This was announced by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1563300993999126529
| | Today the US Army today awarded a $182 Million contract to Raytheon in support of #NASAMS supply to Ukraine. The contract work is expected to be completed by August 2024, though initial deliveries will likely begin well ahead of that completion date.
"Raytheon and our partners are working diligently to quickly deliver this critical, proven air defense capability to help the 🇺🇦 people defend their homeland. Ukraine will join a dozen nations around the globe who rely on #NASAMS..." ~Tom Laliberty, Raytheon M&D
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https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1564003482188791810
| | #Ukraine: An American 🇺🇸 HMMWV M1151A1 armored vehicle: Before and After.
Hundreds of Humvees are being delivered to Ukraine from the United States, with many of them still being painted in tan for use in desert areas.
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https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1563605907153780738
| | The United States announced its intention to increase the production of HIMARS missile systems and GMLRS high-precision projectiles, primarily to help Ukraine, the Pentagon press service reports.
"We received almost $400 million to restock HIMARS and GMLRS in Pentagon warehouses. In addition, we plan to allocate about $200 million to expand and accelerate production, and we also expect to conclude contracts this fall and early next year,"" said Deputy Secretary of Defense for Procurement and Supply William LaPlante.
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https://twitter.com/nevedimka123/status/1563931121632661508
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https://twitter.com/Kochevenko/status/1563949244641411074
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Now the tank will beat the Russian invaders. And if he participates in the parade, then in the UA Victory Parade.
Believe in #AFU
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1563629619047239680
| | | Russian propagandists tried filming a video about using a drone to spot Ukrainians, but partway through the drone was hijacked by Ukrainian electronic warfare and taken away from them. | |
| | Ukrainians hijacked a Russian drone to the surprise of its operators, live on camera 😂 Slight panic at the end as Russians realise their location is not safe anymore
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https://twitter.com/CarloMasala1/status/1561988395886338048
| | Taiwan liefert, laut Angaben einer polnischen Tech Website, wohl 800 „Mörser-Drohnen“ an die Ukraine.
Die Taiwaner verstehen halt, dass in der Ukraine mehr auf dem Spiel steht, als nur die Sicherheit Europas
800 Taiwanese 'flying mortar' drones reportedly shipped to Ukrainian army
The Polish tech website observed that intermediaries in Poland were likely placing orders for the weapons with the Taiwanese firm and then delivering them to recipients in the Ukrainian military.
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https://twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1563343748792078340
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1563603254705012736
| | Great signs in Kazakhstan with Pres. Tokayev:
1. 🇰🇿 decided to uphold Western sanctions against 🇷🇺.
2. In front of Putin 🇷🇺, Tokayev said 🇰🇿 won’t recognize DNR/LNR.
3. Yesterday spoke Kazakh, not Russian, in meeting with Azeri 🇦🇿 President.
4. Now flags supporting 🇺🇦 in Karaganda 🇰🇿
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https://twitter.com/TUmarov/status/1563843404110471171 | Thread Reader
| | 🇰🇿 🇷🇺 Kazakhstan halts arms exports for a year. The Kazakh government did not give a reason for its decision. But Russian pro-gov telegram channels crow about this as if it's their achievement.
A mini thread about what is happening between Kazakhstan and Russia 🧵
From the very beginning of the war in Ukraine Kazakhstan has avoided taking sides in the crisis while calling for its peaceful resolution.
But today many in Russia are regarding Kazakhstan’s actions as being unworthy of an ally.
After Ukraine, Is Kazakhstan Next in the Kremlin’s Sights?
Pro-Russian telegram channels actively claim that Kazakhstan exports arms and ammunition to Ukraine via proxies, by order from the UK.
The allegations are based on a supposedly leaked contract by which Kazakhstan allegedly exports Soviet weapons & ammunition to the UK
Kazakhstan officially rejected all allegations. On the sideline, 🇰🇿 government started to closely cooperate with other countries.
🇰🇿 boosted its relations with Türkiye to the level of expanded “strategic partnership" & has agreed to exchange military intelligence info w/ 🇹🇷
This (together w/ some other news about e.g. Tajikistan's drills w/ the US) sparked another wave of anger among Russian hawks.
This was the context of the meeting between Tokayev & Putin in Sochi.
The main message of Tokayev was that "there is no ground for making pessimistic forecasts regarding the future" of RUS-KZ relations.
Putin was friendly, but not talkative: "There are many questions..."
Kazakhstan (and other Central Asian states) do not know where are the red lines right now in relations with Russia. Before February 24th the limits were obvious but the war became a storm that wiped the clarity off.
The new redlines between Russia and Kazakhstan will not be set only by 🇷🇺 or 🇰🇿. It is a mutual process where both need each other. But after the war and its isolation 🇷🇺 needs 🇰🇿 more than ever before.
Kazakhstan embraces Russia's weak moment as an opportunity to enlarge its space for maneuvering in future cooperation/co-existing. That is why Kazakhstan is acting as boldly as it can and waits for Russia's reaction or indication of the new limits in the relationship.
The downside of this strategy is Russia's unpredictability. Many in Russia are already talking about the "denazification" of Kazakhstan.
However, Kazakhstan believes it has time while all of Russia's energy and resources are concentrated on the invasion of Ukraine.
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Russische Probleme erfordern russische Lösungen
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1561828676311912449
| | Soldier is saving a cat stuck on the tree. You know the country.
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https://twitter.com/Shtirlitz53/status/1561415706922696707
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von Herr der Lage am 29.08.2022 4:41]
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hab mich geirrt
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 2 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von [UFP]Sobrek am 29.08.2022 7:38]
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HdL liefert mal wieder stabil.
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Wie mir diese dummen Flaggen auf den Sack gehen -.-
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#ballsofsteel
Glaube nicht, dass die abgebildeten Leute bei der Unterzeichnung ihres Arbeitsvertrages wussten, dass sie mal in ein Kriegsgebiet müssen.
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In so nem Bus ist unsere Gastfamilie mit zwei weiteren Frauen aus Kiew geflüchtet, über die südwestliche Route nach Moldawien. (Noch) rechtzeitig. Aber mir wird übel, wenn ich mir vorstelle, dass die individuelle Fluchtsituation sehr ähnlich gewesen sein muss.
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Ist ja ein freies Land hier, und man kann auch was lernen. Über den Krieg der Nato gegen Russland zum Beispiel, vom Vorsitzenden der DKP.
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[Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert; zum letzten Mal von -=Q=- 8-BaLL am 29.08.2022 11:13]
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"In der Ukraine tobt der Krieg der Nato gegen Russland"
"Frieden in Europa geht nur mit Russland"
Wie unfassbar dumm, scheiße und realitätsverweigernd kann man eigentlich sein.
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EZ, Frieden kann man ganz einfach haben, wenn man Russland bis nach Portugal verlängert. Was anderes will die DKP wohl kaum.
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