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Jehova-3

Arctic
 
Zitat von Maestro

 
Zitat von [WHE]MadMax

Die Designer haben "The Pentagon Wars" geguckt und gesagt: hold my vodka!



War das der mit dem Bradley?

/e Google sagt ja



Aus irgendeinem Grund hatte mir Youtube dazu das hier vorgeschlagen
18.05.2022 18:58:26  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Bregor

AUP Bregor 17.01.2013
Aber...dann hat der Film teilweise gelogen? traurig
18.05.2022 19:14:19  Zum letzten Beitrag
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DerKetzer

derketzer
Der Film war keine Doku? mild shock.
18.05.2022 19:15:17  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Bombur

AUP Bombur 24.06.2010
 
Zitat von Abso

 
Zitat von -Riddick-

 
Zitat von Q241191

Wieso Putin Panzer und Raketen ausgehen

 
Die russische Kriegskasse ist gut gefüllt. Ökonomen halten es sogar für möglich, dass der russische Präsident seinen Angriff auf die Ukraine trotz der Sanktionen noch zwei Jahre lang weiterführen kann. Aber Geld ist im Krieg nicht alles: Verbrauch und Verlust von Mensch und Maschine sind bei den russischen Truppen hoch, Nachschub nicht in Sicht.





Sind das die selben Experten die prophezeit haben das Russland nach 2-3 Wochen Bankrott ist und der Rubel wertlos?


Versuch mal irgendwas mit Rubel zu kaufen.


Wo soll ich die denn jetzt hernehmen?
18.05.2022 19:52:26  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Abso

AUP Absonoob 20.11.2013
Dies sey der Jokus.
18.05.2022 19:55:56  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
Europe’s new leaders are coming from the periphery | Euractiv

 
Further, the German government continues slaloming when it comes to Russian gas. Another European giant, France, is not different in essence. According to Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Macron recently asked Ukraine to provide Russia with territorial concessions in order to help Putin “save face”.
Maybe in some other circumstances, this rather shameful offer would have come to life. That would be possible in circumstances in which the most powerful Europeans, such as Germany and France, have the last word.
But the war in Ukraine changed the status quo. The question remains whether Paris and Berlin became aware of the change.

New European leaders are on the scene. Their countries are not in the first circle of powerful and influential, but their instinct of recognising the direction in which this reversal is heading makes them today the leaders of the “new European order”. They understood without error that the new architecture is being built around the point of relations with Russia, and especially that the defence of Western values must be uncompromising.

One of the new European leaders, for example, is the Prime Minister of Estonia, Kaja Kallas. In simple, and therefore powerful words, she asks European leaders to stop talking to Putin. “Why are you talking to him? He is a war criminal. As long as you call him, he doesn’t realize he’s isolated. Don’t call him”, she said.

Can Macron and Scholz get a clearer message?



https://twitter.com/thomas_dudek/status/1526869071194619905

 
Im politischen Berlin sind so viele damit beschäftigt, eine für Putin gesichtswahrende Lösung zu finden, dass sie gar nicht merken, wie Deutschland seit Monaten selbst sein außenpolitisches Ansehen und Standing verliert. Klingt hart, ist aber wahr.




On the question of Russian humiliation | WaPo
There is no graceful end to Russia’s debacle in Ukraine. And that’s fine.

 
Russia’s war effort has suffered reverse after reverse, leading Putin to micromanage the fight. At the same time, the grumbling from Russia’s populace is on the rise. Some hard truths are even being spoken out loud on Russian television: ...
A weakened Putin who has to focus on domestic discontent to stay in power is hardly the worst outcome for the United States. International escalation as a diversionary tactic is highly unlikely; as Lawrence Freedman notes, “nuclear use would not solve any strategic problems for Russia, and would create many, many more.” It is even possible that Putin’s time in office would come to an end.
...
The idea that a victorious Ukraine spells the end for Russia, however, is far-fetched. Everyone should stop worrying about a golden bridge.


https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/1526955130897063937

 
Prof Drezner is correct.

Worrying about humiliating Putin is a concern for ... well, Putin. He's had many opportunities to not make a fool of himself and has sadly passed on them. We shouldn't make policy on the basis of managing Putin's feelings. And if he chooses to use WMD, we'll make policy to address that. But those are his choices. His off-ramps are legion, they just all involve him not achieving the unachievable goals he set out for himself. That's his problem, not ours.

I'm truly sick of people suggesting we owe Russia a damn thing, especially after the rape, murder and destruction they've unleashed in the name of managing Putin's fragile masculinity.




The Russian Military’s People Problem | Foreign Affairs
It’s Hard for Moscow to Win While Mistreating Its Soldiers

 
[A] core underlying theme: the military’s lack of concern for the lives and well-being of its personnel. In Ukraine, the Russian military struggles to retrieve the bodies of its dead, obscures casualties, and is indifferent to its worried military families. It may spend billions of dollars on new equipment, but it does not properly treat soldiers’ injuries, and it generally does not appear to care tremendously whether troops are traumatized.

This culture of indifference to its personnel fundamentally compromises the Russian military’s efficacy, no matter how extensively it has been modernized.
In the United States, a good soldier is a happy soldier, one that’s properly fed, paid, and treated with respect.
But the Russian high command behaves as if its troops are an afterthought, making tactical decisions as if it can simply throw people at poorly designed objectives until it succeeds. This is a self-defeating attitude that both lowers troops’ morale and degrades combat effectiveness. The results are plain to see.

The Russian military has a long history of mistreating its personnel and their frightened families.






 
Mehr als 30.000 Russen sind seit dem Überfall auf die Ukraine aus ihrem Land nach Georgien geflohen. Nur mit dem Handy in der Hosentasche musste Artyom Petukhov, der Organisator einer Anti-Kriegsdemonstration, vor dem Putin-Regime flüchten. Viele Georgier sind jedoch skeptisch, mitunter auch feindselig gegenüber den Neuankömmlingen aus dem verhassten Nachbarland.

18.05.2022 20:09:56  Zum letzten Beitrag
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KarlKoch

Marine NaSe
 
Zitat von Herr der Lage

Europe’s new leaders are coming from the periphery | Euractiv

 
Further, the German government continues slaloming when it comes to Russian gas. Another European giant, France, is not different in essence. According to Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Macron recently asked Ukraine to provide Russia with territorial concessions in order to help Putin “save face”.
Maybe in some other circumstances, this rather shameful offer would have come to life. That would be possible in circumstances in which the most powerful Europeans, such as Germany and France, have the last word.
But the war in Ukraine changed the status quo. The question remains whether Paris and Berlin became aware of the change.

New European leaders are on the scene. Their countries are not in the first circle of powerful and influential, but their instinct of recognising the direction in which this reversal is heading makes them today the leaders of the “new European order”. They understood without error that the new architecture is being built around the point of relations with Russia, and especially that the defence of Western values must be uncompromising.

One of the new European leaders, for example, is the Prime Minister of Estonia, Kaja Kallas. In simple, and therefore powerful words, she asks European leaders to stop talking to Putin. “Why are you talking to him? He is a war criminal. As long as you call him, he doesn’t realize he’s isolated. Don’t call him”, she said.

Can Macron and Scholz get a clearer message?



https://twitter.com/thomas_dudek/status/1526869071194619905

 
Im politischen Berlin sind so viele damit beschäftigt, eine für Putin gesichtswahrende Lösung zu finden, dass sie gar nicht merken, wie Deutschland seit Monaten selbst sein außenpolitisches Ansehen und Standing verliert. Klingt hart, ist aber wahr.




https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/1526955130897063937]

 
Prof Drezner is correct.

Worrying about humiliating Putin is a concern for ... well, Putin. He's had many opportunities to not make a fool of himself and has sadly passed on them. We shouldn't make policy on the basis of managing Putin's feelings. And if he chooses to use WMD, we'll make policy to address that. But those are his choices. His off-ramps are legion, they just all involve him not achieving the unachievable goals he set out for himself. That's his problem, not ours.

I'm truly sick of people suggesting we owe Russia a damn thing, especially after the rape, murder and destruction they've unleashed in the name of managing Putin's fragile masculinity.




Müsste noch noch jemand Scholz und Macron stecken. Und vielleicht der Öl- und Gaslobby.
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18.05.2022 20:25:55  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Poliadversum

AUP Poliadversum 30.08.2012
Und großen Teilen der Bevölkerung anscheinend wenn man sich anguckt wie "geteilt" Deutschland bei Fragen wie Lieferung von "Schweren Waffen" ist.

Beim Verständnis mit faschistischen Diktatoren sind wir halt einfach immer noch ganz vorne mit dabei.
18.05.2022 20:37:28  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Sentinel2150

AUP Sentinel2150 11.04.2019
Eine gesichtswahrende Lösung hätte bestimmt auch den zweiten Weltkrieg verhindert.
Oh wait
18.05.2022 21:38:41  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Abso

AUP Absonoob 20.11.2013
Darum geht's ja nicht. Es geht darum, dass verreckende Ukrainer kein Grund sind, eine gefühlte Gefahr eines Kriegseintritts einzugehen.
18.05.2022 21:52:57  Zum letzten Beitrag
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pucky1986

AUP pucky1986 03.12.2018
unglaeubig gucken
https://www.rnd.de/politik/frieden-mit-russland-ukraine-botschafter-andrij-melnyk-fordert-neuauflage-des-normandie-formats-QMB6CB3FSFAFBANNZ7NZBEHDAQ.html

Ja was jetzt?
18.05.2022 22:02:27  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Poliadversum

AUP Poliadversum 30.08.2012
Ich denke nicht dass Melnyk im Sinne hat dass da Scholz und Macron ukrainische Gebiete in Verhandlungen abtreten.
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18.05.2022 22:41:14  Zum letzten Beitrag
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Herr der Lage

AUP Herr der Lage 16.10.2014
kanadischer Journalist in der Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1526835452774297600

 
Ukraine is having success with its Kharkiv offensive. But the sense in Donbas is that the situation is deteriorating significantly - and that this has accelerated in recent days. Russian troops have advanced on several axes in the past 24 hours and there's an ominous feeling here.

Bombing on cities and targets across the region has also stepped up significantly in the past few days and continues to get worse. Distant artillery fire can be heard constantly from Kramatorsk now, and yesterday we heard anti-air systems working regularly - a new development.

Russia's army is significantly degraded, but it still has a lot of firepower - and it's all here.




https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1526705581368778753

 
It is senseless to shelter Putin from the sense that he is losing. He will figure that out for himself, and he will act to protect himself.

Russians are not cornered. The Russian army is not cornered. It is an invading force. When defeated, units just retreat across the border to Russia.

Putin rules in virtual reality, where there is always an escape route.
He cannot be cornered in Ukraine, because Ukraine is a real place. It is hard for people in other societies to grasp that Putin is a dictator who controls his country's media. He rules by changing the subject. Putin changes the subject all the time. The last time Russia invaded Ukraine, its media changed the subject to Syria from one day to the next, and Russians went along. When Russia invaded Ukraine this February, the media quickly adjusted from saying that invasion was impossible to saying it was inevitable. Russians went along.
If defeated in reality, Putin will just declare victory on television, and Russians will believe him, or pretend to. He does not need our help for that. It is senseless to create an "off-ramp" in the real world, when all Putin needs is one in a virtual world he completely controls.
Talking of "off-ramps" just gives Russian leaders something to laugh about in what are otherwise difficult times.

To be sure, Putin might err and wait too long to declare victory in the virtual world. In that case he loses power. We cannot save him from such a misjudgment, and it is misguided to try. Putin's power over media will be complete until the moment when it ceases.
There is no interval where our actions in the real world will make a difference. Either our off-ramps are unnecessary or they are irrelevant. It is grotesque to ask the Ukrainians to make decisions about the war for the comfort of Russian television producers, who don't take direction from the real world anyway.
Misunderstanding Russia through clichés of "cornering" and "off-ramps" will make the war last longer, by distracting from the simple necessity of Russian defeat.

Ukraine is a very different story.
Zelensky, unlike Putin, is democratically elected, feels responsible for his people, and governs in a world where others matter. Ukraine has a press that the government does not direct. Zelensky cannot simply change the subject. He has to bring his people along on any major decision. Unlike Putin, Zelensky has to make a case to his people to end this war. He therefore does need help, both to win the war and in telling Ukrainians what comes next.
Unlike Russian soldiers, Ukrainians have nowhere else to go. They cannot just go home. The war is fought in their country. They will return to their homes and rebuild.

Ending the war means thinking more about the Ukrainian people and their future, and and worrying less about problems that Putin does not in fact have.




https://twitter.com/armyinformcomua/status/1526873730525319174

 
🇷🇺 is trying to involve foreign media into making fakes

After realizing that the world community no longer believe the false messages reported by 🇷🇺 TV channels, #kremlin propagandists have decided to involve European journalists and media into their activities @DI_Ukraine.
According to the #Ukrainian military intelligence data, the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the occupant’s Ministry of Defense is urgently organising foreign journalists press tour to temporarily occupied territories of #Ukraine.

During 18-21 May the occupiers plan to demonstrate the destroyed Mariupol’s districts to media representatives. Attempting to accuse 🇺🇦 of destroying the city and of mass killings of civilians, 🇷🇺 propagandists have already brought fragments of 🇺🇦 ammunition to #Mariupol. Those fragments were collected from all occupied areas of #Donetsk region. With the same purposes, they also instruct "local eyewitnesses", who were brought from Donetsk and #Horlivka, to tell journalists about the fictitious "crimes” performed by the #Mariupol defenders.
The agenda of so-called "press tour” also includes the departure of the group from Rostov-on-Don as well as the visits of journalists to Kherson, Nova Kakhovka, Skadovsk, Armyansk and Donetsk, where a meeting with Kremlin’s puppet D. Pushylin is scheduled.

The russian Ministry of Defence is trying to involve the media representatives from France, the United States, Germany, Japan, Greece, China, Belarus, India, Venezuela, Bulgaria, and the UAE to participate in that "press tour".
We warn foreign journalists about the plans of 🇷🇺 propagandists to make them complicit in the process of making fakes.




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Zitat von Jellybaby

btw: wer betreibt den newsticker eigentlich? Egal ob faz, zeit oder sonstwas, die Meldungen unterscheiden sich ja nur durch die Reihenfolge und ab und zu ein paar rausgestrichene Sätze. Aber ansonsten sind die fast wortgleich. Die werden also alle aus der selben Quelle zugekauft sein. Ich meine mal reuters erwähnt gelesen zu haben?
Immerhin, die faz streut ab und zu mal Twitterlinks dazwischen.



Jo, die Newsticker werden sicherlich einfach oft die Meldungen der Nachrichtenagenturen wiedergeben.

Wie gut die Agenturmeldungen sind, wäre dann die nächste Frage.

Igor Sushko (der Übersetzer der "FSB-Letter") hat was gegen Reuters:

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1515750062839648256 | Thread Reader

 
🧵🚨 I call on all media outlets globally - local, regional, national, to immediately drop ALL syndicated content from @Reuters - it is an active propaganda arm of the Kremlin. Please do not be complicit.
Stop funding @Reuters through syndication license fees. Share & Tag media.




https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1526946269721243656

 
A few days ago, a young Russian contractor posted his experience of 1 month of war in Ukraine. It's 5 very long posts, I'll be releasing translations over the next days. Here's part 1, an excerpt is on the image so you can decide to read:

Part 1 text: https://justpaste.it/2d3xy


 
My name is Viktor. On day 12 [Mar 7th] of the special military operation in Ukraine (my opinion is that, in essence, it’s a huge, bloody, large-scale war; yes, officially the war has not been declared, but in reality, in the generally accepted meaning of this word - it’s a real war… ), after seeing for the first time on YouTube a video of our (Russian) captives and wounded being abused by these inhumans from Ukrainian armed forces, I made a decision to join the army as a contractor to help our army in this war.

... On 3 April I arrived at the 3rd Motorised Rifle Vislenskaya Red Banner Division, orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov - into the 752th motorised regiment (unit 34670) to a position of a rifleman/assistant grenade launcher. I signed a contract for half a year. ...

During the conscription service, I have been to shooting practices four times, where each time I fired 6 rounds. Since school, when in the 10th grade we went to military training camps for two weeks, I was amazed, perplexed and surprised - why is it so?! Why are we only allowed to fire 6 rounds? Indeed, in order to ‘feel’ the assault rifle you need at least 15 rounds in a magazine, so the person could shoot 2-4 single rounds and then try bursts of 4-5 rounds. Yet to do it properly, of course everyone needs a whole magazine - 30 rounds! My opinion is that the target shooting with 6 rounds which is en-masse used in Russians army and MIA - is just a mockery of military training!!!

In the order by the commander of the Western military district regarding sending me into a unit it was indicated that I was meant to be sent to accelerated survival training courses. They were meant to last two weeks. Also, my contract selection instructor at the regional selection point was saying they would ‘teach me up a little bit, teach how to fire from everything - from a grenade launcher, machine gun, sniper rifle’. In reality - this all turned out to be a lie. None of us (22 people) were taught anything. We were not even allowed to try our weapons.
On 6 April we were already meant to be sent to Ukraine to Izyum town, but the dispatch was delayed twice, and in the end we left to Ukraine on 9 April in the morning.

Regarding my military preparation - I knew that it was best (in my opinion) to fire from an assault rifle with single rounds. But I couldn’t even remember how to set single or burst fire mode - with the lower position of the latch, or the higher. So when I received my assault rifle in the afternoon of 6 April, being sure that on the 7th we could already end up in Ukraine, I asked the duty officer who was issuing assault rifles to us - ‘where is the single fire mode?’. This is the training that I’ve had.

I also took two offensive grenades. I took the offensive ones since I knew such grenade is the safest to use - the fragments only scatter for 25 meters. I knew about this since my conscription service in the army. I never threw a grenade, so I asked those who did how to use it the right way - how to twist out the fuse, how to bend the ‘antennae’ and pull out the pin. We’ve had people with combat experience, who fought in the 2nd Chechen War, but also those who simply were combat veterans and served on a contract or simply those who served on a contract. These people obviously were 10 times more prepared than me.

Looking ahead I will say that during mortar or artillery shelling your training level is not important - you can be a professional spetsnaz with 20 years of experience and die instantly from mortar fire, and you can be inexperienced novice and survive in dozens and hundreds of artillery barrages. This is a matter of luck, how God decides…

...

On 18 April we left the forest and went to Kamenka. The next day an attack of Dolgen’koye village was planned. They didn’t let us properly sleep and rest, since late at night we moved closer towards the attack location. We slept over in a destroyed school. Thank God I got enough sleep, paradoxical it may seem. In the morning in Brazhovka village our company received 13 more volunteers. They just arrived from Russia. To be honest, I was stunned by this - how is it possible?! The people are immediately sent into an attack?!

One moment was indicative - our starshina[First Sergeant] (who never went into attacks himself) gave one of the PKM machine guns to one guy. I asked the guy - ‘did the round go in to the barrel?’. I personally did not know how to insert the machine gun belt in. I just knew how to take it off the safety and shoot. The guy said he had no idea and that they told him in his unit (in Valuyki) that he would be a driver. I called our starshina. He tried to send the round into the barrel but failed. The machine gun jammed. Then our senior praporshik[Ensign] came, who fought in Chechnya. It took him two minutes to load the machine gun. He did it. That’s how this attack was prepared.




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[Amateur]Cain

Amateur Cain
 
Zitat von Jehova-3

Aus irgendeinem Grund hatte mir Youtube dazu das hier vorgeschlagen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmuVYVREGgE



"when I made my historically accurate video on the Bradley" -> direkt abgeschaltet. Breites Grinsen
19.05.2022 6:33:16  Zum letzten Beitrag
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-=Q=- 8-BaLL

-=Q=- 8-BaLL
Ich will ein Sterne-System, aber nicht für Videos sondern für die Kredibilität von Videomachern.

Dieses "Aber hier ist ein Video wo jemand das kritisiert" bei jedem fucking Thema wird langsam echt ätzend.
19.05.2022 6:52:37  Zum letzten Beitrag
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h3llfir3

Phoenix
Cain sollte einfach reaction Videos zu anderen Panzer Youtubern produzieren.
19.05.2022 6:56:54  Zum letzten Beitrag
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monischnucki

AUP monischnucki 06.06.2018
Schnell das gif wo er sich die Nasenwurzel hält.
19.05.2022 6:58:37  Zum letzten Beitrag
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-=Q=- 8-BaLL

-=Q=- 8-BaLL
Dann hört das ja gar nicht mehr auf.

Derselbe BS wie das hier

 
Zitat von Herr der Lage

 
Zitat von Jellybaby

btw: wer betreibt den newsticker eigentlich? Egal ob faz, zeit oder sonstwas, die Meldungen unterscheiden sich ja nur durch die Reihenfolge und ab und zu ein paar rausgestrichene Sätze. Aber ansonsten sind die fast wortgleich. Die werden also alle aus der selben Quelle zugekauft sein. Ich meine mal reuters erwähnt gelesen zu haben?
Immerhin, die faz streut ab und zu mal Twitterlinks dazwischen.



Jo, die Newsticker werden sicherlich einfach oft die Meldungen der Nachrichtenagenturen wiedergeben.

Wie gut die Agenturmeldungen sind, wäre dann die nächste Frage.

Igor Sushko (der Übersetzer der "FSB-Letter") hat was gegen Reuters:

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1515750062839648256 | Thread Reader

 
🧵🚨 I call on all media outlets globally - local, regional, national, to immediately drop ALL syndicated content from @Reuters - it is an active propaganda arm of the Kremlin. Please do not be complicit.
Stop funding @Reuters through syndication license fees. Share & Tag media.





Der Ukraine-Propangadist, der Geheimdienst-Unterhaltungsliteratur übersetzt (100 Pro echt - aber natürlich geheim!), nutzt seine Reichweite für nen Aufruf zum Reuters-Boykott. Fast witzig.

/Ah, der ehemalige Oberst ist wieder auf Linie nach seinem kleinem etwas zu kritischen Aussetzer. Gut fürs Publikum!

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