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Aber da es die Gerüchte von 7000 ukrainischen Truppen, die schon südlich vom Flussufer sind und das AKW von Saporischschja zurück erobern sollen, inzwischen auch in die seriöse Presse geschafft haben [...]
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watwatwat?
Das ist komplett an mir vorbeigegangen. Die stehen angeblich auf russisch kontrolliertem Gebiet?
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zumindest machen sie sich wohl langsam fertig. So richtig einig sind sich die Meldungen die ich gesehen habe zumindest bei der Menge, über den Standort nicht ganz. So in der Art klingt das inzwischen immer:
| | Ukrainische Truppen versuchen nach Angaben Russlands, auf das besetzte Atomkraftwerk Saporischschja vorzurücken. Um die Stadt Saporischschja herum seien rund 7.000 ukrainische Soldaten zusammengezogen worden, zitierte die staatliche russische Nachrichtenagentur Tass einen Vertreter der russischen Besatzungsverwaltung, Wladimir Rogow.
Unter den Truppen seien auch etwa 300 Kommandosoldaten, die für diesen Einsatz speziell in Großbritannien ausgebildet worden seien. Die russischen Angaben können nicht unabhängig geprüft werden. | |
Anfangs habe ich das noch als den üblichen Socialmediamüll abgetan, aber das Gerücht hält sich echt gut. Letztendlich: Russisch kontrolliertes Gebiet oder nicht, der Punkt ist: Sie sind mit vielen Truppen auf der richtigen Seite vom Fluss.
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Laut Karte passt das.
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Ich dachte die Stadt liegt oberhalb und das AKW unterhalb/südlich des Flusses?
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der Fluss biegt da nach Norden ab, die Stadt liegt also tatsächlich oberhalb. Aber eben auch am selben Flussufer. Westlich wurden beide Seiten des Flusses von den Russen gehalten. Und das ja jetzt nicht mehr.
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Werft bitte noch mal einen Blick auf die Karte. Die Stadt liegt auf konstant ukrainisch kontrollierten Gebiet auf beiden Seiten des Flusses, an einer Stelle an der der Fluss noch Richtung Süden fließt. Das AKW liegt bei Enerhodar, gegenüber von Nikopol, nachdem der Dniepr schon den Knick nach Westen gemacht hat.
/und diese russische Angabe zu angeblich 7000 ukrainischen Soldaten würde ich erst mal unter "gelogen" ablegen, Unterkategorie "Atomangst im Westen auslösen". Die machen ja nicht mal eben eine amphibische Landung in der Größe über den Fluss. Deren falsche Tote hatten wir hier doch schon mal bei anderer Gelegenheit.
/bei der Stadt würde ich mich auch noch auf "liegt hauptsächlich am Ostufer des Dniepr" einlassen. Aber auf konstant ukrainisch kontrolliertem Gebiet.
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| | I am getting reports that Ukrainian army has advanced towards Kherson faster than Russian generals have anticipated.
Now remaining Russian troops are desperately trying to swim across the river leaving all of the equipment behind.Here are details:
Ukrainian SOF have quickly advanced towards critical logistical points near Dnipro river, breaking organized withdrawal. | |
https://twitter.com/IntelArrow/status/1590813948932423680
| | There’s lots of reports - beyond just this - of large Ukrainian strikes on retreating Russian military columns. The dust will clear in the next few days, but they appear to be taking heavy losses as they flee the right bank of the Dnipro/western Kherson Oblast
Russian telegram channels saying Ukrainians are smashing the crossing points where thousands of Russians are retreating across the Dnipro. This looks huge. | |
https://twitter.com/Blake_Allen13/status/1590823165454077952
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Das Copium auf Twitter wurde heute aufgedreht wie länger nicht mehr.
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https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1590759065533415424
| | Ukraine’s Army Chief Valery Zaluzhny compares Russia’s impending withdrawal from Kherson to Snake Island and Kharkiv
Much more confident that Russia is on the way out than Zelensky’s advisors were initially | |
| | > Before yesterday's announcement, local Kherson residents were concerned about a fake Russian withdrawal
Russian soldiers wearing civilian clothes entering abandoned houses was a big risk. This might explain Ukraine's initial skepticism about Russia's intentions | |
| | > Ukraine is advancing on Kherson from the north, east and west
Russian troops remain visible in Kherson but their presence is reportedly shrinking | |
| | > Russia is extensively mining Kherson to maximize Ukrainian casualties as it retreats
These mines extend to apartments and sewage systems. Zelensky advisor Mykhailo Podolyak calls Kherson a "city of death" due to Russia's mining tactics | |
| | > Ukraine's liberation of Snihurivka facilitated Russia's exit from Kherson
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https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1590820328586227712
| | BREAKING: The Netherlands will contribute 100 million euros to the International Fund on arming Ukraine
These donations have taken the fund's total reserves to over 500 million euros, which will be used to buy arms for Ukraine starting in 2023
The Netherlands is aligning with Britain on supporting Ukraine's battlefield victory rather than supporting early negotiations with Russia | |
| | > Britain's Defence Minister Ben Wallace insists that Ukraine needs to make the choice to engage in diplomacy with Russia
A rebuke against claims that the US is prodding Ukraine to hold negotiations with Russia | |
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590800350625222656
| | Russian Starshe Edda reports of heavy fighting at the Kreminna-Svatovo area with Ukrainians increasing their attacks. Also something else about heroic defenders yada yada.
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https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1590813926320926720
| | | Ukrainian forces are targeting crossing points over the Dnipro with precision strikes right now. | |
| | | > It appears some of the rear guard did not get the message... | |
| | There is reports that thousands of Russian military personnel only got the withdraw order very recently.
I don't believe it.
Could it be that they announced without telling them in advance... | |
| | | > Russian sources are now also reporting a large amount of Russian forces are still stuck on one side of the Dnipro. | |
| | "> I think what they have done is not told a signifcant amount of their troops about the evacuation
They are now almost a non voluntary rear guard"
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https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1590755455340810240
| | Kherson
I have 10 settlements I consider being confirmed as liberated today. This is moving pretty fast.
It appears we are about 12-24 hours behind actual events based on rumors yesterday.
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| | > The Russians showed [themselves] raising a flag in Pavlivka. It is now clear they are trying to invent a victory by raising a flag at the outskirts of the town.
Trusting the Russians is like trusting a monkey with a shotgun. Or your wife with your money. Not a good idea.
This is what they do, they invent a victory somewhere else so the putler fan club don't have to think about Kherson. They can just enter their safe space and fap to a fake victory in Pavlivka. | |
| | > I get a lot of questions about the Russian retreat.
Why would they announce the retreat before they leave?
Why would they announce it on TV?
Here is what I believe:
The retreat has been going on for weeks.
There is only a small number of troops left east of the river, mostly lower valued units like mobniks and goat lovers. Some will most likely be sacrificed to cover the retreat of the last units
Announcing it on TV gives the Russian leadership a chance to save face. Kadyrov and Prigozhin immediately came with statement saying Surovikin was very brave and that he saved a lot of Russian lives. This announcement was purely for domestic propaganda.
They can now say they saved thousands of russians lives. They did not lose the fight in Kherson, but they decided to leave because fighting against NATO would just be too costly.
As a side note, i think the attack on Kerch bridge played a huge role in this. And it's probably why we see them trying so hard around Pavlivka.
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https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1590796185819877401
| | Some interesting thoughts by @LanguageIearner
I agree with most of this (except the NK dam part, i have no info on that)
Worth a read and a follow | |
https://twitter.com/LanguageIearner/status/1590794684498313216
| | A thread on continued RU/UA op in Kherson region. Sources from @Volya_media, 🇺🇦OPCOM South forces, Kherson TG, 🇺🇦soldiers + others.
TLDR: RU is abandoning its positions, collapsing to defend around Kherson city and the Kahkovka dam.
I'm using @AndrewPerpetua's map.
🧵
To the NW of Kherson city, the 1st 🇷🇺line of defense, from Pravdyne-Snihurivka, is completely abandoned to the W of the Inhulets river.
The 2nd 🇷🇺 line (Tomyna Balka- Chornobaika area) is reportedly in process of withdrawal.
🇺🇦is advancing here, slowly and methodically.
🇷🇺 Soldiers in and around Kherson city proper are preparing for an urban defense, with heavy mining of the city, suburbs, and civilian infrastructure such as homes and fields.
A regiment of 🇷🇺 combat engineers are being deployed to aid in this effect. They came from Donetsk.
🇷🇺mobilized troops and Natl Guard are remaining in Kherson city, as the more elite forces (VDV, marines, SOF) are withdrawing under order. The mobikis have received no new orders, and are anticipated to remain behind as part of a urban defense they are grossly unprepared for.
🇷🇺Natl Guard troops in Kherson include Chechen forces, who are "preparing a defense like Grozny", a major urban battle in the Chechen war. The defenders lost that battle.
🇺🇦SOF may be near, and partisan cells are chomping at the bit for a "Go" order in Kherson city.
🇷🇺believes that 🇺🇦will siege the city rather then commit to a direct assault, forcing RU troops there to withdraw across the Dnipro or surrender.
🇷🇺does not presently have, nor expects to have in the future, the resources and methods to supply such a cut off force.
E of the Inhulets, 🇷🇺forces are also retreating from their 1st defensive line (Mylove-Borozenske).
There is very little defense past this point until Beryslav, where 🇷🇺is attempting to make a defensive perimeter to secure the crossing at the Kahkovka dam.
🇺🇦 advances here.
At the Nova Kahkovka dam itself, the dam remains rigged to blow.
Allegedly, the go/no go order will happen no later then 11/11, as 🇷🇺forces are still scrambling across to the E bank of the Dnipro here with equipment.
🇷🇺forces are not being shelled as they cross, currently.
Apparently, 🇷🇺forces on the S bank of the Dnipro are also evacuating from positions near the river, such as Chaplynka airbase, possibly to avoid flooding should the dam be blown, as well as 🇺🇦shelling.
In Crimea, barracks/supplies are being prepared for retreating forces.
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Russian paratrooper on his last order in Kherson region
"The last oder was change into civilian clothing and run in any direction you wanted"
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Angebliche Bestätigung dieser Aussage. Möglicherweise aber auch die Quelle.
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| | It appears some of the rear guard did not get the message...
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| | There is reports that thousands of Russian military personnel only got the withdraw order very recently.
I don't believe it.
Could it be that they announced without telling them in advance... | |
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Najaaaaa....
| | >I'm hearing particularly horrible tales of many Russian Mobik bodies in the Dnipro.
This provided the context.
| | Ukrainian war correspondent Yuri Butusov says Kherson is within range of Ukrainian field artillery; Ukrainians are less than 18km from the city. Russian river crossings/nearby staging areas being hit.
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| | Zitat von Jellybaby
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| | It appears some of the rear guard did not get the message...
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| | There is reports that thousands of Russian military personnel only got the withdraw order very recently.
I don't believe it.
Could it be that they announced without telling them in advance... | |
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das kann doch nicht stimmen. So blöd wären nicht mal Russen.
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Dem Pöbel kann man nicht trauen, die halten nicht dicht.
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Dem Pöbel kann man nicht trauen, die halten nicht dicht.
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Naja, wenn man da flott wech will und davon ausgehen muß das alle instant die Beine in die Hand nehmen sobald sie die Info erhalten muß man halt einige Leute....nicht informieren damit irgendwer noch als Kanonenfutter da rumhängt und die Ukrainer nen bisserl beschäftigt.
Stell dir vor es ist Krieg aber keiner hat lust oder plan.....
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https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1590859869200187392
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🇺🇦 has advanced rapidly over the past day in Kherson Oblast as the 🇷🇺 forces attempt to withdraw across the Dnipro.
Dozens of settlements have been liberated in the last 24 hours, most notably Snihurivka, a 🇷🇺 stronghold north of Kherson city for the past 8 months.
[timelapse:]
https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1590859897469833216
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https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1590857998770896896
| | Confirmed territory changes in Kherson in the past 24 hours, visualised.
The last frame is a very conservative picture of what is currently happening on the ground, showing only geolocated movements. This footage normally lags operations by at least 12-24 hours.
There are very credible reports 🇺🇦 has made it as far as Chornobaivka this evening.
For example, when we finally received footage of Ukrainian troops in Balakliya back in September, Ukraine was already dozens of kms beyond that.
Tomorrow will be incredible.
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https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1590835675393556480
| | There's currently every indication the Russian "withdrawal" from the west bank of the Dnipro has degenerated into a rout. We'll only know for sure at daybreak, however.
Very unhappy times on pro-Russian Telegram.
| | | > Pro-Russian Dimitriyev says that according to his sources, there's an actual panic among Russian forces in Kherson. | |
According to pro-Russian sources on Telegram, Ukrainian artillery is targeting both Russian troops preparing to cross the Dnipro and Russian ferries on the river itself. Russian casualties can be expected to be severe.
Several pro-Russian Telegram accounts are claiming the Antonovsky Bridge across the Dnipro just outside the city of Kherson has now been completely destroyed; previously it was still passable for foot traffic.
Again, this will only be confirmable at daybreak.
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https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1590856113817272322
| | | | Anatoly Shariy says there are reports the Armed Forces of Ukraine are aware that the Russian air defenses were transferred to "Ch." (Chaplynka?) deep on the left bank of the Dniepr river.
Therefore, Ukrainian UAVs work on Russian crossings without being hindered by anything. | |
This means they can track the Russian movement real time and have spotters for their artillery.
I am pretty sure Ukraine have most of the crossings in 155mm range at this point.
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https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1590883219649724416
| | It is really hard to exaggerate just how fucked Russians are on the right bank of the Dnipro. They should honestly just surrender now while they still can.
No air support.
No artillery support.
No anti-air support.
Within range of all Ukrainian artillery.
Have to cross a 1km wide river.
Good luck.
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https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1590844444349124608
| | I estimate that Ukraine has around 200+ barrels and 100+ rocket launchers in the Kherson region... which are now raining 600+ shells and 200+ rockets a minute (!) down on four football field sized ferry crossings, which are overcrowded with russian soldiers.
Crossings of Death!
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590866323151945728
| | A review of a Russian mobik position in Svatove direction. Bio toilets, nine people sleeping in one shelter, but at least there are no fleas!
When wives of these men attempted to contact their region's administration, they were blocked.
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590831220853977089
| | Russian fighter who was previously in Kherson, "13th", is in panic mode, saying... just watch for yourself.
More from the Russian fighter previously in Kherson, "13th", who speaks on the chances of returning Kherson (there are none).
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https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1590825750353309697
| | BREAKING: South Korea will for the first time sell artillery shells destined for Ukrainian forces through a confidential arms deal between Seoul and Washington - WSJ
U.S. officials familiar with the deal said that the U.S. will purchase 100,000 rounds of 155 mm artillery that will be delivered to Ukraine, enough to supply Ukraine’s artillery units for at least several weeks of intensive combat.
South Korea to Sell Arms to U.S. for Ukrainian Forces Fighting Russia
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https://twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1590747265794441217
| | how can the russians not know what is going on????
here is how.
this is the front page of a local ru news paper... the war on noodles has been won.
NOT KIDDING
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“At what age do they take people to Ukraine?”: war catches up with the Russian elite | Economist
| | A private tutor bids farewell to a country in turmoil
In late September, soon after Vladimir Putin announced that there would be nationwide conscription in Russia, I overheard my 14-year-old student ask his father about it. “At what age do they take people to Ukraine?” the boy said, anxiously. His father wrapped him in a hug, reassuring him that he was too young. In all the months I’d been the family’s live-in tutor, I’d never seen my boss display so much affection to his children. ...
When we were going through his homework shortly after the hug I witnessed, my student abruptly said: “I think Russia is losing the war.” I asked why he thought that. “That’s just what I heard. I think nobody wants to fight there.” We moved on, but the gravity of what he’d said lingered.
This teenager is not the only one whose patriotic certainty has faded since the war’s early days. A giant “Z” – the symbol of support for Putin’s invasion – that someone had painted across the front of a building in the city has now gone. People make snide remarks about Russia’s progress on the battlefield, and they go unchallenged. The draft has changed the atmosphere.
Men are becoming less visible in Russia: hundreds of thousands have been conscripted and many more are fleeing conscription. At a café I recently overheard a table of women gossiping about their boyfriends in Turkey. The army isn’t held in much esteem these days (“Russian soldiers are supposed to be the second-best in the world but I think my husband is only third or fourth,” runs one joke) so little shame is attached to draft-dodging.
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Die Russen graben Gräben im Norden der Krim und Arbeiter wohnen in Zelten?!
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Classic Zickzackgraben, der am Ende des Tages keine Rolle spielen wird
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Classic Zickzackgraben, der am Ende des Tages keine Rolle spielen wird
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hab ich mir auch gedacht, mit dieser Himars Rakete die sich in diese WolframMun aufteilt, ist das doch echt sinnfrei.
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Angeblich kriegt jeder Grabengraber 100 Dollar pro Tag, es kurbelt also wenigstens die Wirtschaft an oder so.
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Ja; Oder mit diesem panischen Russen, der sich bereits verpisst hat aus dem Graben weil das Scharmützel näher rückt und man dann einfach mit einem LKW drüberfahren kann. Oder außenrum
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Stell dir vor es ist Krieg aber keiner hat lust oder plan.....
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Business Wars as usual.
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| | Zitat von Lord Nighthawk
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Dem Pöbel kann man nicht trauen, die halten nicht dicht.
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Naja, wenn man da flott wech will und davon ausgehen muß das alle instant die Beine in die Hand nehmen sobald sie die Info erhalten muß man halt einige Leute....nicht informieren damit irgendwer noch als Kanonenfutter da rumhängt und die Ukrainer nen bisserl beschäftigt.
Stell dir vor es ist Krieg aber keiner hat lust oder plan.....
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"Nicht informieren" heißt im Kontext des Militärs ja vor allem, dass kein Befehl zum Rückzug gegeben wurde. Dort ist es ja nur sehr begrenzt eigenverantwortlich. Nach allem was man hört speziell in der russischen Armee.
So ganz traue ich der Geschichte mit 20 000 Soldaten in Kherson noch nicht. Es gab auch früher schon mal Gerüchte dass irgendwo 5000 Soldaten kurz vor der Einkesselung stehen und da ist dann auch wenig von wahr geworden. Aber dieses Mal mag es ja auch anders sein.
Wäre aber wiederum seltsam, die Situation hätte ja seit Wochen Monaten als Option auf dem Tisch liegen müssen.
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| | Zitat von -=Q=- 8-BaLL
Angeblich kriegt jeder Grabengraber 100 Dollar pro Tag, es kurbelt also wenigstens die Wirtschaft an oder so.
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Wird aber in Form eines Ladas ausbezahlt.
Wenn der Lada soweit ist, ist der Rubel es auch.
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Die Russen graben Gräben im Norden der Krim und Arbeiter wohnen in Zelten?!
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Jetzt müsste sich in Russland nur noch jemand ein paar Schaufeln besorgen und beginnen Gräben um Moskau und Stalingrad zu graben.
Damit bei den Russen der Optimismus noch weiter sinkt das Putin alles im Griff hat und man nicht so schnell in Kiew oder Berlin ist. 
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| | Zitat von -=Q=- 8-BaLL
Die Russen graben Gräben im Norden der Krim und Arbeiter wohnen in Zelten?!
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Sicher, dass das Zelte sind? Sehen aus wie Baby's First Panzersperre was schon mal gezeigt wurde.
Und der Zickzackgraben wird zumindest im Fall von Granaten via Dronen verhindern, dass ein Wurf gleich 5 Mann verwundet.
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Gut, Granate vong Drohne hat eh keinen effektiven Radius der groß höher als die Zickzack-Geradenlänge ist. Traditionell hat man das doch wegen Artilleriebeschuss gemacht.
Generell im Gesamtbild vollständig nutzloser Spielzeuggraben
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Ich hoffe, der große Führer im Kreml hat die Position dieses Grabens höchstpersönlich auf einer sehr großen Karte auf seinem sehr großen Tisch eingezeichnet.
Sonst geht die "Landes"verteidigung nämlich in die Hose.
/Ungefähr so
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1590405107169914881
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Sind diese Gräben in einem modernen Krieg überhaupt irgendwie effektiv? Klar, da können sich leute drin verschanzen, aber dann wirft man einfach shit rein bis die keinen Bock mehr haben oder umfährt die einfach oder?
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Nice, endlich wieder ein Lagebericht!
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| Thema: Allgemeine Diskussion zum Ukraine Krieg |
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